Wow, quite a vehicle cross shopping. Yea you can make a stick vehicle stutter, buck or stall & then you can make a stick vehicle very smooth w/ experience. The dct is totally different then driving a stick car. For your 2 vehicle choices would depend on your life style & where you live. 2 cool choices that aways apart. Let us know what you decide.

 

Haha, I've looked into every American car that's manual, and when it comes down to it, the ST and Wranglers are what pops most with me. The RS would be incredible, but it's outside my current price range and I don't have the means or desire to put down a 9k+ down payment.

I guess to clarify if you aren't aware of the issues with the DCT issues the lower end models have, the computer doesn't seem to shift them right so sometimes the car likes to shake horribly between gears or low speeds. I don't know how much of an issue there is on the ST's with computers and shifting since obviously you do the shifting yourself, but I can assume I would be able to answer my own question and say the only times I'd have issues with stuttering or jerking on an ST would be of my own fault and not a computer's

As far as lifestyle choices, We get some rough winters, which is why i started to look into jeeps a bit, but I am an extremely careful driver in the winter so I think I could manage either way. I did last year in my '13 focus so I assume I could do it again!

Either way, I will let you all know what I decide once I receive some more input and do little more research.

I also appreciate your response![headbang]

 

im not an ST owner but have driven them a few times...nothing with the trans i would compare to driving an auto. Just normal manual driving. Go test drive an ST and see how it feels for you. Like Bruce said above, you are shopping two completely different machines.

 

Thanks for the response I test drove a 14 last year and I recall it being an extremely different experience than what I drive now, but you can only get so much out of a test drive sometimes it feels like!

 

I'd just go for a st & for a jeep, go for the Sahara. Have you checked out used vehicles?

 

I have! it seems like a lot of ST's got dumped in anticipation for the rs, and they're selling pretty cheap right now used. Can even pick up a new 15 ST right now for 0 percent APR and a whole lot of rebates.

As far as Jeeps go, best dealer financing is 4.4 percent and not a single rebate. Used Jeeps seem to cost just as much even with 60k+ miles on it.

So in all reality it makes much more sense to go with an ST, but damn do the girls sure love Jeeps around here ;D lol

 

the trans in the ST is like nothing in the lower models. its not the same as the 5speed MTX75 either. the ST feels like(imho) and NA car that is properly tuned in the lower RPMs to not have much RPM drop during shifting. i loved the crisp shifts. they felt weighted and determined to say the least. hence why im waiting for a bit to buy my new car. im looking in either an ST or a Manual SE. preferably a 15.

 

Go for the st,,,,,,,,,,,

 

My vote is for the ST but I am a little bias having owned a 2013 ST and now the 2015 ST. Absolutely love my 2015 ST.

 

Sit up high they feel safe & powerful, and it's a lot easier with a skirt than a low car!

Sporty driving isn't high on the list for many.

 

Yeah but it'd have to be a 10 year old jeep to even be close to the price of a fairly new ST

 

Get what you want, not what some clique, wants you to get. Whats your lifestyle? & then think of the maintence the vehicle needs.

 

Thank you for the input I would be perfectly happy in either. Seeing that no one seems to be having any ridiculous problems with them it's become a debate of gas mileage and performance VS sitting up higher from the ground and having four wheel drive for our crappy Indiana winters. I guess now all I gotta do is make a decision, and it sure is a tough one!

 

Why not a Mustang? Do you need 4 doors? A used V6 2013-2014 will be cheap and has tons of power. I love mine. Paid $24,000 out the door brand new, with performance and tech packages.

 

I don't think I'd survive the winter in a Mustang.. We get too much snow and ice, and it's way too hilly where I live. Yet then again, you're from michigan and probably know the struggles of winter better than I!

 

Chicks are the LAST reason to buy a vehicle. The ones that care are so fickle and the ones you want don't give a damn if you're in a beater.

 

I have narrowed down my choices between an ST and a Jeep wrangler.

If those are really your two choices, definitely go for the Jeep.

 

If I didn't have the 4x4 Navigator already, I'd have gotten a small SUV or Jeep too. More utility. Especially in winter.

 

Kitty litter in the trunk. Problem solved. I drove a '77 Cutlass that way years ago.

 

If I buy a Mustang I gotta go GT since I don't think I can handle all the "Did you get the V8?" questions followed by "no'it's only the V6 but it's still pretty quick" answer. Some cars I have to go big or go home and Mustangs,Camaros,Challengers fit that category.

 

I'm the same way^^^^^^

Having said that, I wouldn't buy a Mustang at all. They don't appeal to me in the least.

No Mustang for you? Not even the new gt350?

 

Yeah V8 or maybe the 2.7 or whatever that motor is just to be different but the V6 is lame. Lol

 

The V6 isn't lame as it just doesn't fit the personality of the car IMO (as the V8 does) but is way more practical for the masses since some like the looks and don't want to pay for more ponies and less MPGs.

 

It's lame in the context of the Mustang. Which is what I thought we were discussing.

 

It's not pitiful, particularly with a stick but it is the "economy" version

Here are the numbers for all:http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LE...rd.com/cars/mustang/specifications/engine//RK=0/RS=54uNATjbEnYZZBwJxXpEAPuoXF0-

 

In the context of the Mustang solely then yes,it's lame.

Is the ST going to be the V6 of the Focus line with the RS coming out? [hihi]

Performance wise,yes it will be but the Mustang is a bit more about perception since it has such a history and when waxed nostalgia about that era it's all about the V8s. That whole era was defined by V8 power as when's the last time you heard somebody bragging about their "69 Chevelle with a straight 6?

 

Is the ST going to be the V6 of the Focus line with the RS coming out? [hihi]

The NA Focus would be the V6, the 1.0L EcoBoost the EcoBoost Mustang, the ST the GT, and the RS the GT350 of the respective range. Lol.[hihi]

The V6 Mustang is the price leader engine despite being all new as of 2011 in the Mustang, and no longer the lame duck 200 or so HP 4.0L Cologne V6 of yesteryear, and so too is the 2.0L NA GDI engine the basic engine offered in the Focus. The 1.0L might not be quite as powerful as the 2.0L GDI engine, but it does produce a few more lb-ft of torque compared to the NA engine, at a price and is intended to replace the old SFE trim on the 2012-2014 Focus. This is analogous to the 2.3L EcoBoost in the Mustang being slightly more powerful than the V6, but at the same time being an extra cost option.

The ST is the performance trim but without going to the hard core extremes of a fully bespoke power train that is reserved for the flagship of the range.

The RS is going to be the most track focused Focus ever, or so Ford has strongly suggested, and there are signs that indicate serious performance and a goal to take on the WRX STIs, Golf Rs, etc of the world. We have yet to fully see what the car is capable of as it's not available yet, but by all impressions it means business as a member of the upper echelon of the Ford Performance family with the SVT F150 Raptor and GT350s of this world.

 

Exactly.

 

Lame doesn't mean can't produce. Lame means dude that's lame. Image.

 

Personally I think it sorta misses the point of a Mustang.

Anyone who wants a V6 pony can have it though. It's their money.

 

Having said that, I wouldn't buy a Mustang at all. They don't appeal to me in the least.

 

Nah not really my style. I'm a small car + truck guy.

 

Checking back into this as promised. Today I purchased a Jeep wrangler. Hopefully the RS is as nice as they are being built up to be and I may again one day scroll these forums. So long friends!