[gonefhsn]

so for data logging you need a laptop basically? has anyone done remote tuning through FSwerks?

Yes you need a laptop (well it helps alot) unless you have a way to take your desktop with you when you do your WOT run. I remote tuned from Randy and it was done in two runs.

i would stay away from FSwerks. they charge you for updates and trust me u will need them. TOM is the way to go for tuning. he cares about you and not so much the money. he will help you through phone aim and here. you need your flasher and a laptob i believe

Thant is were you are wrong, I have gotten nothing but free updates from Randy when I made a change to my car. He helps out his boosted customers alot. Yes Tom does to and the people that have used him stand behind him. Same with us FsWerks customers we stand behind Randy. And as Smithboy said "Lets not turn this in to another Tom V. FsWerks thread.

Josh
Moderator.

 

[gonefhsn]

I will say I don't know who has tuned more d-tecs. But I do know that Tom does require the J&S for the SVT, but I don't know about the others. But do keep the arguments in PM, lets respect the OP and help him out.

Josh
Moderator.

 

[kenzx3]

Alright Guys lets get some fact straight here...

Tom and Randy are both good tuners, to each his own on who you go with.

FSWERKS does provide included Tuning support with their kits, here is an excerpt from their website regarding the kit:

FSWERKS 's new Turbocharger kit for the 2.0 and 2.3 litre Duratec Focus delivers serious horsepower and torque, increasing your car's output by at least 70% on the 2.0 and at least 75% on the 2.3 liter. Refined driveability and a factory appearance make this kit the perfect choice for Focus enthusiasts everywhere. Included in the kit price is FREE dyno tuning support. WIth several years of Focus ECU tuning experience, we are able to efficiently help local AND remote customers get SAFE and RELIABLE power from the FSWERKS turbo kits. Comes with a Lifetime warranty** on the ITG Maxogen air filter, SCT flasher and a 1 year warranty** on all other parts.

Now I'll put my own personal opinion in on things. PERSONALLY I'd go with who has the Most Experience Building, Producing, and Tuning Turbo Kits for the Duratec Engine, nothing against you Tom but FSWERKS has you beat on production of the Duratec Turbo Kits but we all know that. Personally I wouldn't go with any other kit other than FSWERKS's at the moment as they have the most duratec ones out there, the most experience with their own kit, and have had plenty of satisfied customers running their kit. Going FI requires $$$, plain and simple, you can't just go buy an off the shelf kit from ebay or have one custom built and expect to install and be tuned over the weekend. The only way you'd be able to get near that is with FSWERKS, plain and simple. I've heard of some of their kits being able to be installed in 8 Hours then all you have to worry about is tuning but that's included you'd just have to set up a time with Randy.

That's all, back to lurking in the shadows....

 

[badass3]

My mistake i read on there website and talked to randy about tuning and he personally told me it would be 35 for ever tune after his base.

 

[kenzx3]

My mistake i read on there website and talked to randy about tuning and he personally told me it would be 35 for ever tune after his base.

Maybe because you added in another variable?

From their site on their tuner page:

Other parameters may also be modified to suit your needs. Please call for other custom settings if you don't see what you are looking for here.

 

[1turbofocus]

But Ken , If he adds in another variable and gets charged extra for it thats EXACTLY what was stated that started all this

Tom

 

[gonefhsn]

My mistake i read on there website and talked to randy about tuning and he personally told me it would be 35 for ever tune after his base.

Maybe because you added in another variable?

From their site on their tuner page:

But Ken , If he adds in another variable and gets charged extra for it thats EXACTLY what was stated that started all this

Tom

That maybe how it used to be. I got my original N/A Tune from Randy, I decided I wanted drag launch after I already had the tune. Talked to Randy got my drag launch no $$$$ exchanged after initial sale.

August of last year I decided to go Turbo (Tom you may remember me asking you questions) I got my turbo here installed it the same day it arrived (took cjohn364 and I 6 hours and a few beers) got it dialed in. Recently I got the Turbo-smart Duel Port BOV. Randy had to make a few changes and that cost me no $$$$.

So like I said it may have been that way before but [dunno]

 

[bmylez]

Or he's your friend and you weren't supposed to give away that info [paranoid]

 

[1turbofocus]

Something isnt right then , I have people coming to me getting tunes with them saying I am cheaper because I give free tuning and fs wouldnt , thats what I am going off of

So maybe some one can clear this up , at what point does fs charge and for what

Tom

 

[dirtbkr100]

I see what you guys are getting at, but here is my deal:

I plan to get the fswerks stage 1 with everything included. It is not worth it to pay additional $$$ for an outside tuner to perform the tuning JUST so I can then receive free updates in the future.

I don't want to get into who charges what for outside tuning, but it's certainly going to be a few hundred dollars. That is equivalent to many $35 FSwerks tune upgrades (assuming they are charging $35 each after the free first).

Not really planning on doing too much after the turbo kit, maybe stage 2 sometime in the future.

Anyways, let's hear what else you guys have to say about going turbo. I know this is really helping myself and a lot of others who are hesitant to jump into the whole thing!

 

[bmylez]

If you can start installing the kit on a Friday after work, you should be able to put the whole thing on if you're ok with staying up until midnight. If not, put most of it on and finish Saturday morning.

This leaves several hours on Saturday to do your first couple of datalogs. Since Sunday isn't really an option for tuning, you definitely need to get at least a couple datalogs in so that the car is driveable. Even if you can't run full throttle, it's very possible to get it to where you can drive to work. When I had my first turbo, Tom got it to where I could hobble to work in just a day. I'm sure FSWerks could do the same thing for you. Their tune is also more dialed in since it's specifically for their kit. My tune was more difficult because it's a custom setup.

 

[kenzx3]

But Ken , If he adds in another variable and gets charged extra for it thats EXACTLY what was stated that started all this

Tom

Something isnt right then , I have people coming to me getting tunes with them saying I am cheaper because I give free tuning and fs wouldnt , thats what I am going off of

So maybe some one can clear this up , at what point does fs charge and for what

Tom

Tom, you and I both know that they probably can't respond in here.

To the OP your best bet is to call FSWERKS and talk to Randy and figure out the exact pricing. In my opinion $35 extra to FSWERKS is better than $550 Extra if you were to have Tom tune their kit as FS's tuning is already included. That's simple Mathematics. [dunno]

 

[SMITHBOY76908]

Here's the deal.

When you buy a FSWERKS complete turbo kit, you get free tuning with free upgrades. Even if you build your engine, go high boost (20+psi), the tuning is still free. The limit of that free tuning is if you go with a different turbo manifold or go with a turbo FSWerks does not offer, that's about it.

I hate to break it to you Tom but you do not have the cheapest tuning around. Perhaps you should use the search button once in a while.

 

[1turbofocus]

I hate to break it to you Tom but you do not have the cheapest tuning around. Perhaps you should use the search button once in a while.

With my tuning you can change turbos , build engine , go back to NA and get a tune then back to totaly Diff turbo kit its all the same FREE , go from PW/SC to a turbo its FREE , go from Roush to SPA its FREE and many here have done just that and it was FREE , Priceless

I dont go for cost , I go for quality , Let fs have the CHEAP , why Focus-Power has the best , works for me

I agree 100% Ken if where he buys the Turbo it comes with tuning it would be silly to do anything else

Tom

 

[Wagamos]

With my tuning you can change turbos , build engine , go back to NA and get a tune then back to totaly Diff turbo kit its all the same FREE , go from PW/SC to a turbo its FREE , go from Roush to SPA its FREE and many here have done just that and it was FREE , Priceless

I dont go for cost , I go for quality , Let fs have the CHEAP , why Focus-Power has the best , works for me

I agree 100% Ken if where he buys the Turbo it comes with tuning it would be silly to do anything else

Tom

Ahh two great points. Honestly i wouldnt pay for tuning a second time if its included with the kit but since i paid for tom once, im not gonna pay again. Always nice. Not quite sure what fs does for engine swaps n stuff, but if isnt fs or tom, you arent going to get them to do it again for free.

 

[SMITHBOY76908]

I dont go for cost , I go for quality , Let fs have the CHEAP , why Focus-Power has the best , works for me

I do believe we had a deal that you wouldn't bash FSWerks, did we not?

and as far as you tuning duratecs far longer than FSWerks has, I do believe it was Randy who was working with SCT back in 2002 and 2003 to get the first tunes out there for the Duratec Foci. They were even good enough at it to build a successful turbo kit that is now over 100 of them on the road. That's PROVEN performance!

 

[dirtbkr100]

cmon man let that stuff go. this thread was almost recovering....

Could someone explain the differences between FS offered turbos? the
Garrett GT28R, GT28RS, and GT2871R. Are they just different sizes for more/less boost earlier/later?

 

[1turbofocus]

NEXT !

Tom

 

[SYZ]

Ahh two great points. Honestly i wouldnt pay for tuning a second time if its included with the kit but since i paid for tom once, im not gonna pay again. Always nice. Not quite sure what fs does for engine swaps n stuff, but if isnt fs or tom, you arent going to get them to do it again for free.

I swapped my engine, added cosworth manifold, bigger injectors, built the engine, got a 100 octane tune on top of a 91 octane... with a total of 48 dyno pulls on their shop dyno... guess what


I NEVER PAID ANYTHING IN ADDITION TO THE ORIGINAL PRICE

It's not hard to explain... FSWERKS DOESN'T CHARGE AGAIN FOR ADDITIONAL TUNING SUPPORT AFTER EITHER PURCHASING THEIR TURBO KIT OR THEIR $400 CUSTOM FI TUNING

/END THREAD

 

[SMITHBOY76908]

^ Well said.

The GT28R is a good turbo for the 2.0L. It spools up fast and makes great power while remaining efficient for daily driving. (good for about 320whp)
The GT28RS is slightly bigger and is a good choice for the 2.3L. It spools up slightly slower but makes a little more power with the same psi while still being a good turbo for daily driveability. (good for about 360whp)
The GT2871R is the biggest of the 3 turbos they offer and is only recommended for built motors planning to run high boost. It's slower spooling but makes plenty of power. (good for about 460whp)

I have been running the GT28RS on my 2.0 Duratec for just over 25k miles now. I love the spool up and smooth torque it delivers in combination with Randy's tune.