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Originally posted bySoCalDuratec
... this was suppose to be 'bout duratecs and turbos..... not calculating hp.
OMG my head hurts......
You and me both brother! You and me both ...

And my "battle of wits" with ruc reminded me of another (and somewhat more infamous) exercise in verbal swordplay.

From "The Princess Bride"

Man in Black:
All right. Where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right... and who is dead.
Vizzini:
But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black:
You've made your decision then?
Vizzini:
Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.
Man in Black:
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Vizzini:
Wait til I get going! Now, where was I?
Man in Black:
Australia.
Vizzini:
Yes, Australia. And you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black:
You're just stalling now.
Vizzini: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black:
You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work.
Vizzini:
IT HAS WORKED! YOU'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING AWAY! I KNOW WHERE THE POISON IS!
Man in Black:
Then make your choice.
Vizzini:
I will, and I choose - What in the world can that be?
Vizzini:
[Vizzini gestures up and away from the table. Roberts looks. Vizzini swaps the goblets]
Man in Black:
What? Where? I don't see anything.
Vizzini:
Well, I- I could have sworn I saw something. No matter.First, let's drink. Me from my glass, and you from yours.
Man in Black, Vizzini:
[they drink ]
Man in Black:
You guessed wrong.
Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha -
Vizzini:
[Vizzini stops suddenly, and falls dead to the right]


Classic! And I'm not saying between me and ruc, who was "Vizzini", and who was the "Man In Black"

(well ... I AM ITALIAN. Yikes!)
 
firemanfrank said:
LOL. But just remember what ruck caused me to discover ....

That the formula is not designed for Trap Speeds that exceed 100 mph!
I didn't use trap speed.
basically, I just used the distance, weight and time, and like 5 different formulas.
btw, the trap speed was only 1.5mph over 100, can't make THAT much of a difference. obviously it didn't. results were pretty darn close.

And that dialogue from the princess bride is a classic.
one of my favorite movies as a kid. and I still like it to this day.
 
Why all the excitement over a 13.7 boosted car. Around here that wouldn't make an SRT-4 blink much less any Honda. NA yes but not with a turbo. I would figure his WHP to be in the 200whp range looking at MPH and weight(if the car hasn't had any weight reduction). With the right setup on these engines they will eventually be like the Mitsubishi for power. The heads flow very well. I think you need to raise your standards. JRSC Zetecs have pulled that kind of MPH. The Duratec should do a good bit better exspecially with a turbo. I wouldn't waste my time on a non intercooled setup. The Hi Boost kit will be out soon with an intercooler for about the same cash and a nicer manifold. We need to get these cars in the mid 12's.
 
Randy from FS is putting down 350 whp 320 wtq or so with his 2.3 daily driver....... intercooled, cossie rods, FS pistons, cossie 2.5" exhaust ....... pushing 23 psi.
 
Yel900rr said:
Why all the excitement over a 13.7 boosted car. Around here that wouldn't make an SRT-4 blink much less any Honda. NA yes but not with a turbo. I would figure his WHP to be in the 200whp range looking at MPH and weight(if the car hasn't had any weight reduction). With the right setup on these engines they will eventually be like the Mitsubishi for power. The heads flow very well. I think you need to raise your standards. JRSC Zetecs have pulled that kind of MPH. The Duratec should do a good bit better exspecially with a turbo. I wouldn't waste my time on a non intercooled setup. The Hi Boost kit will be out soon with an intercooler for about the same cash and a nicer manifold. We need to get these cars in the mid 12's.
How about low 12's....... that's what I am aiming for. Shit I originally wanted to break into 13s NA, but I dont think that is going to happen...... I need BOOST.
 
to me a 350whp Focus is not a daily driver. But when u got it, you got it!
 
rockn4 said:
to me a 350whp Focus is not a daily driver. But when u got it, you got it!
Amen to that rock!

I GOT RID of a 13 sec. SRT-4 to get my Focus ST, so I really couldn't care less about turning it into a "12 sec." car.

I say that the Cossie St. 2 (which will get you mid 14's) is plenty fast.

Want a faster car than that?

Then people should stop spending thousands and thousands of $$ on our loveable lil Focus, and go buy a Fully Warranteed 'Stang GT, GTO, Vette or *Viper.

That's my .02 (plus some!)

*Ruc made me put that in!
 
SoCalDuratec said:
Randy from FS is putting down 350 whp 320 wtq or so with his 2.3 daily driver....... intercooled, cossie rods, FS pistons, cossie 2.5" exhaust ....... pushing 23 psi.
With all the work on that setup It should have plenty more. Stock engine with good rods and pistons should handle that with no problem. We will be handling the Hi Boost kits for the Duratec. Very nice manifold and a quality kit for about the same cash.

Fireman we tune all of those cars and they all make some serious power. Rear wheel drive and the 1/4 mile works well. We have an 03 Cobra with 800 in bolt ons and tuned running 11.8 and its a convertible on street tires.
 
firemanfrank said:
Amen to that rock!

I GOT RID of a 13 sec. SRT-4 to get my Focus ST, so I really couldn't care less about turning it into a "12 sec." car.

I say that the Cossie St. 2 (which will get you mid 14's) is plenty fast.

Want a faster car than that?

Then people should stop spending thousands and thousands of $$ on our loveable lil Focus, and go buy a Fully Warranteed 'Stang GT, GTO, or Vette.

That's my .02 (plus some!)
i agree mid to low 14's is enough to run on the road and be satisfying going through turns and shit.....
 
fireman,

Then people should stop spending thousands and thousands of $$ on our loveable lil Focus, and go buy a Fully Warranteed 'Stang GT, GTO, or Vette.
Sorry to butt in again, but how about Viper [:D] [:D]

Later, have a good weekend -- raining here. [mad] [mad]
 
ruckmn said:
fireman,

Sorry to butt in again, but how about Viper [:D] [:D]

Later, have a good weekend -- raining here. [mad] [mad]
Umm, I made the correction (sort of .. he he)

Been raining here too. I mean, is there ANYWHERE that it's not raining!

LOL
 
^^^Not raining here in Cali (as usual [mad])
 
Yel900rr said:
Why all the excitement over a 13.7 boosted car. Around here that wouldn't make an SRT-4 blink much less any Honda. NA yes but not with a turbo. I would figure his WHP to be in the 200whp range looking at MPH and weight(if the car hasn't had any weight reduction). With the right setup on these engines they will eventually be like the Mitsubishi for power. The heads flow very well. I think you need to raise your standards. JRSC Zetecs have pulled that kind of MPH. The Duratec should do a good bit better exspecially with a turbo. I wouldn't waste my time on a non intercooled setup. The Hi Boost kit will be out soon with an intercooler for about the same cash and a nicer manifold. We need to get these cars in the mid 12's.
Yel900rr said:
With all the work on that setup It should have plenty more. Stock engine with good rods and pistons should handle that with no problem. We will be handling the Hi Boost kits for the Duratec. Very nice manifold and a quality kit for about the same cash.

Fireman we tune all of those cars and they all make some serious power. Rear wheel drive and the 1/4 mile works well. We have an 03 Cobra with 800 in bolt ons and tuned running 11.8 and its a convertible on street tires.
IMHO, it is the ultimate in low class to jack a thread about someone's experience at the track by dogging the the excellent work of a respected Focus performance vendor for the sole purpose of promoting a competing product that you will profit from selling.

I for one won't be buying from McNews.
 
EricR said:
IMHO, it is the ultimate in low class to jack a thread about someone's experience at the track by dogging the the excellent work of a respected Focus performance vendor for the sole purpose of promoting a competing product that you will profit from selling.

I for one won't be buying from McNews.

If he's happy with what he has thats good. If this is what your standard of performance and products are good for you. I guess my idea of performance is different than yours. Everytime anyone contradicts something someone is crying.
 
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