you should be a contender but i wouldnt plan on winning. he is only making 205hp and 200tq. if your stock your making 170hp 145tq. the tq is where he will shine. you are a few hundred pounds lighter tho. his curb weight is 3000lbs so with him in it it should be around 3200. your car is around 2750lbs and with you in it should still be under 3000 so you will have a better weight advantage. put a 50hp shot of gas on it and go wax him.

 

Yah It would be close, i took on a SS Non-Super and was pullin on him at highway speeds. so yah maybe if we were doing a better roll, but he gunned it and then i gunned it and i was pullin, later on that night i happen to be next to a super but he didnt want to go cuz he had to get off, so i couldnt tell ya

 

thanks guys, would there be a couple easy bolt ons to increase my torque or would i have to slap on a supercharger or turbo?

 

Full exhaust, TB, and then a tune by Tom. I think you would be happy with that.

 

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I seem to recall the SS is underrated from the factory. Power gains are also a lot easier when you're F/I in the first place. I wouldn't count on beating a Cobalt that comes stock with the same blower we see with the JRSC.

 

my mods are just AEM CAI, Borla Cat-Back, MSD Plugwires, & Toms Predator Tune.....

But coming later this month are CFM 67mm TB, CFM HFC, Ceramic Coated Stock SVT Header, Copper Plugs, SPEC Stg 2 Clutch w/ Aluminium Flywheel, Steeda FR STS, 3 Poly Mounts, and also a 50 shot of laughing gas.... just in case!!!!

 

^^^^ so u think u could contend w/ a cobalt ss? and where to i get "toms tune"

 

yes the supercharged cobalt is factory underated but not by a whole lot cause the SS w/ the GM Performance Stg 2 Kit only dynos @ like 245 or 246 whp

TB you can get from CFM
Toms Tune you can get off Tom (1TurboFocus)'s website.... www.focus-power.com i think

and no as I sit right now i would prolly get walked all over by a Supercharged Cobalt SS.... but come later on in march they better watch out!!!!

 

My parents have the SS Supercharged (they're 55 years old) and I've driven that car several times. It's way faster then any SVT Focus I've ever driven. It'll toast you. The engine is factory rated at 205 hp, but I've seen dynos of stock SS S/C's that put the WHP between 195 and 200, which makes the crank hp rating closer to 230-235 hp. Having driven it, I believe it.

 

bring your parents cobalt on out to the autoX track and see who does the toasting.

your comparing a boosted car against a non boosted car. make it fair, boost the svt and see what happens then!

 

completely agree here man. it is like compareing apples to oranges. now throw a turbo on an SVTF and see what happens. I have raced as SS Cobalt and the Drag strip and he won by like a second. that is only and 1/8 mile to so in a quarter he would have killed me. but if you took him to some twisties you would walk all over him. I out did my first mustang the other night and that felt good it was a 06 V6 but hey it still felt good. and i love the look on peoples faces when you keep up with them in a focus. HAHA.

 

AMEN......Preach it man
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Think of it this way. With the money you could buy a Cobalt SS for you coud get an SVT focus, put the Powerworks Supercharger on it w/ a BBK and get it tuned w/ some left over for other bolt ons...... and still be able to bully the cobalt around every different aspect of performance.... top speed, acceleration, braking, cornering...

 

Cobalt SS comes with an (optional?) front LSD and torque to make up for gearing. You might be surprised how much of a difference that will make in autocross.

They're also classed differently, the times wouldn't match up either way, the SS is D-Stock I think. Look at it this way though; the Sentra SE-R Spec V is a better G-Stock car than the SVT Focus, even with questionable gearing and oldtech rear suspension. Helical front LSD and a flexible drivetrain. I speak from experience.

 

'05 Cobalt SS is supposed to run a mid 14, SVTF is what, mid to low 15? SVTF wasn't made to drag race, go autox with him and watch the embarassment happen

Sean

 

Moving to General Race Chat.

 

OMG. Maybe this isn't the right forum for me. Here I thought you guys would be a bunch of gearheads with an appreciation for all sporty cars, but your nothing but a bunch of fan boys.

I love the SVTF a lot, evidenced by the fact that I'm going to fly to California to buy one and drive it back to Canada. But I also have an appreciation for cars I know are faster, better, or just as good. The Cobalt SS S/C is stupid fast and handles just as well, if not better, then the SVT Focus. I don't like the outrageous boy racer looks, but it's a great car and will toast a Focus (stock vs stock).

 

A lot of SVTF owners track their cars and know what they can and can't beat. Out of the box, the SVTF is damn hard to beat on the track and for the money. Also, for every car that is faster than yours/mine there will be one faster than that one and one faster than that....This has been covered befor.

 

svtf + cobalt ss + twisties = Svt > Cobalt SS.
See, its a simple formula. No calculator needed.

 

The Cobalt SS S/C beat the Mustang GT by 0.3 seconds in the Car and Driver Lightning Lap at VIR. I would think that anything short of a super tight super twisty track, the Cobalt SS S/C will take it.

The Cobalt was also the most settled of the three, with excellent body control through the high-speed esses. The GTI felt soft, but its body motions remained fairly stable. The Civic was the floppiest.

The Civic was also the slowest, owing to gearing that required several extra shifts each lap and a less-than-strong engine. The GTI was 1.4 seconds quicker. With its DSG, it was best to select manual mode and perform your own downshifts with the left paddle, leaving the twin-clutch transmission to upshift on its own. The Cobalt SS’s supercharged Ecotec engine collaborated with an excellent gearbox to charge down the straights with authority. The result was a maximum speed of 117.1 mph and a lap time of 3:20.6 — four to five seconds quicker than the other front-drivers, the GTI and the Civic.

Amazingly enough, that performance made the Cobalt SS 0.3 second quicker than the 300-hp Ford Mustang GT.

 

lol.. only 0.3 seconds????

Last summer a guy brought a S/C SS to a NASA sponsored autocross that I ran in... but most likely due to the driver being really bad, I beat him handily... I did have boost back then, but it was a procharger which doesn't nearly have the midrange of a roots which should have been to his advantage..

 

I think theres a BIG flaw in what everyone is calling "the twisties". In any road race, twisty-type ROAD, the SVTF is good, but not great. Sure it handles well, it better for its light weight and balance. But its nothing special, most due to the lack of power and no LSD. I see too many people using the handling as a crutch for the lack of power.

Now parking lot racing is a different story. Its a nimble car for sure, but AGAIN it's not the end-all be-all.

For the PRICE, the car is a [][][][][][]g GEM, diamond in the rough. And it has a LOT of potential when considering suspension mods (what car under 50k couldn't benefit from an upgraded suspension?) But shit an older Cobalt SS will smoke the doors off any non-boosted SVT, the '09 SS will runs circles around it.

Throw some reliable boost at it and get an LSD in the tranny and THEN you have a real contender.

 

The drivers of the mustang must not know how to drive. Not to mention the VW should have easily beat the cobalt. IM not a cobalt hater. Nor are we fan boys. Ive watched vids of a Mustang Gt runing down a lotus Elise. Dont always believe what you read, its normally WRONG.
If you want to start quoting magazine articles we will be here all day. None of them have the same results. Most are biased toward one make or another.
Ive driven the cobalt ss, ive drove a SVT. Put on, lets say, road atlanta the SVT will win.

 

The drivers of the mustang must not know how to drive. Not to mention the VW should have easily beat the cobalt. IM not a cobalt hater. Nor are we fan boys. Ive watched vids of a Mustang Gt runing down a lotus Elise. Dont always believe what you read, its normally WRONG.

[rolleyes] Right. Unless it supports your argument I'm guessing.

If a Mustang GT could catch an Elise on a track then the Mustang's driver was a very very good driver and the driver of the Elise sucked. An Elise is faster then most cars on the track.

 

Okay guys, if you really want to compare here you go:

SVT FOCUS
1/4 MILE: 15.8 @ 90.2 MPH
60-0 BRAKING TEST: 118 FT.
SKIDPAD: .91 G
600FT. SLALOM: 68.2 MPH

COBALT SS
1/4 MILE: 14.5 @ 98.2 MPH
60-0 BRAKING TEST: 115 FT.
SKIDPAD: .89 G
600FT. SLALOM: 69.0 MPH

Hate to say it, but its faster in the slalom, brakes faster, and accelerates faster...

 

i think the cobalt ss would beat a svtf around a track and on the straight. but they are two totally diffrent cars. to me the cobalt is alittle more cutting edge and is in a higher class than the svtf. not much though. it would be an interesting race. BUT then agian if the cobalt were on a track with the svtf it would keep up on the turns and then slowly hawk the svtf on the sraights. the cobalt has a better power to weight ratio and has the engin to back it up. im suprised a mustang gt could catch a lotus on a track. (unless it was a drag strip). because the gt has a solid axle and i hear those arnt that great. but i may be wrong. id love to own either of the cars.

 

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How about judging the SVT against other NON-FI cars..... for the cobalt to be supercharged it isnt that much faster than the NA SVT.....

Also you should look at what tires came on the cars when those articles were written.. the SVT had ContiSports... not a good choice.

What time of year and weather conditions... all of these have a dramatic effect on performance... doing handleing/braking tests on a cool day wont be as good as ones done on a hot day when your tires get better traction.... all in all I would say the SVT and the Cobalt SS are closer than the "magazine" articles say they are.

 

That is true, both tests I took numbers from were Car and Driver, so same elevation, same area. But I agree, the numbers can very a lot based on conditions...