Its been done already and they failed and droped it because it didnt work, But I guess you will have to find that out on your own

The MAF will be the easy part ,If all your doing is 16psi then you wont need a killer built engine

Tom

 

So much work for the power it would make assuming you could get it to run properly. I know doing something completely different is great and I think the idea is cool, but I don't see how it could be done pratically, cheaply and be reliable.

 

PowerWorks S/C,

Remote turbo setup would work out ok since you wouldn't need to have an additional FMIC,

Fuel cell with updated lines and what not for the e85 and return fuel system..

Get intimate with the ins and outs of tuning your own car while your at it since it sounds like its touchy at best with this kind of FI... I think the last dude blew his engine, but I could be wrong.

Even then I don't know what the gains would be man. It should work ok though

 

The pw cooler wont even keep the pw boost cool

Tom

 

i know you like to be different but uh.... there are other (cheaper, easier, more efficient, need I go on?) ways to be different.

maybe do a remote setup, not many people doing that.

but if you insist, maybe you can go to a standalone and use a MAP instead, maybe that would work [dunno] but now we're talking $$$$$ you might as well buy something faster to start with

PS e85 wont like the low compression when youre not in boost, the car will be a dog off the line if you go that route for various reasons.

 

does it have to be a blower????.... i saw in modified mag where some race team took a TRD Scion TC with the supercharger on it and put a turbo kit on it too and it made like 390bhp or something like that and since the way it was laid out they went through one big front mount to keep it cool.... so maybe you could get like a vortech or procharger and connect them to a turbo

 

Compound set up's have been done on many cars. Some work nice, some eat poop and burn.

 

wanna be different and have mass power?? get a Small aircraft Turbine motor, should be able to run E85 Bio with it to. Will make mad power and eco friendly too LOL

really tho like your idea hope you do it, Goodluck!

 

lol thanks for the inputs and the advice guys. i will be trying this out i mena if they can make it work on a cobalt we should be able to do something similar,no?(even though that was probably a show car..)

 

This is a ridiculous plan. It is awesome in concept but in practice it doesn't make sense. You will spend X amount of money on a badass S/C project, or Y amount of money on a badass T/C project, but the amount you will end up spending on a twincharged Focus will be insane. You are talking about a ton of custom work that may or may not even be functional in the end- it hasn't been successfully done before with a Focus to my knowledge.

You can achieve insane power and speed from a single form of forced induction- enough to blow the doors off just about anything if you do it right. If you really feel the need for speed, get a 75 shot of nitrous and you'll be eating pretty much everything alive.

This is the kind of project that MIGHT be successfully undertaken by a racing team or a performance shop- not a hobbyist.

In addition, the amount of power you would be pushing with a twincharged Focus would not be safe for the streets. You would have lots of problems with traction and horrible fuel economy, not to mention that you had better be a sweet driver to keep from wrapping your beloved project car around a tree or another vehicle. Heat issues would be pretty serious as well.

The only way to make it functional would be to operate at low boost from the turbo for daily driving, and change it when you want to race... but again, at that point, nitrous is still a more viable option, as it is far cheaper to implement and will only be used when you want it to be. Twincharging would be a huge investment for something you would only be able to use on occasion.

 

its really not that much custom work...its a jackson which takes the place of the intake manifold and a turbo kit...all he needs is charge piping really...

tuning is the nightmare...

 

^^^agreed... espcially if you go E85

 

I could see it if you was going to run a monster turbo like a t4 or something and using the sc to spool the turbo but for 16psi why not just use the turbo kit and forget it. The JR SC will just be a restriction for the turbo. Your spending way too much money on not much gain.

 

well the plan is to start small and make it relaible for a couple years (as she is my daily still.) then after i pay it off then go completely insane. and jsut like what best said, the jrscwill take place of the intak mani. (which is fine since i have an o3 and thusly the less desirable intake mani) and then jsut the charge piping for an svt turbo kit should do considering the jrsc's throttle body location and an svt's throttle body location are in roughly the same spot. obviusly i need a really big intercooler. and for shits and giggles i could hose the cooler down with c02 at the track. or maybe run a methanol injection kit to cool stuff down even more. i basically want people to shit when i open the hood. and i'm tired of everyone trying to walk on my car with their turbo honduh. so this is my huge scary nightmare solution,lol.

 

i have a better nightmare solution, a procharger and nitrous. it'll still be twincharged in a way but it probably wont explode the moment i start it......


so in other words i guess i [][][][]ed out slightly, especially since i dont wanna blow it up

 

i like the procharger with nitrous idea...

get an intake mani from HTP with direct port nitrous plumbing and OMFG greatness

 

E85 loves FI. it might work out better on E85 than it would with regular gas.

 

It can be done. It has been done. Just not on a Focus as far as i know. This setup is capable of much more than 16 psi. Because you want to limit your boost to 16 psi this isn't a logical means of attaining it. This is overkill for 16 psi. Now, if you're talking about 30 - 40 psi then i'd say go for it. Then that raises the question...Can the Zetec handle that kind of boost? I don't think it can even if you build it all the way up. You'll only be running 8 psi on both the TC and SC to get your 16 psi total. Why not just run a TC at 16 psi and end all the madness? Save yourself the time, money and heartache of attempting to run this type of setup.

The thread read "Going Balls Out." So then go balls to the wall and boost this beast to 30 psi and make this compound boost setup worthwhile. I'd definitely like to see it in action.

 

he may be thinking that the SC will remove all the turbo lag, but I can tell you this, 03OrangeSVT's car has no such thing as turbo lag! he has it boosted with 19psi (is that what it is tom?)

 

well as for the nitrous plumbing i was thinking of doing that to a 2k style intake manifold. and for the record it wont hold up to twincahrging. i would have to built a return style fuel system and i dont want to deal with that headache... yet so procharger and at least a 100 shot of n20 should seal the deal...

 

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Glad to see some sense got knocked into ya lol

man that would be fun to tune, the charge is gonna be freezing cold! Good luck with it all

 

Waste !

Tom

 

well pete ypu can give me a hand,lol. i'm sure we can figure it out.

and what does tom mean by waste? maybe its my intake idea....
if i ahold of some sheetmetal (around 1/8 thick for the flange) and some pipe that matched i could easily build a direct port setup that is inless someone has an old edelbrock intake they have laying around,lol.

 

okay now youre talking about DIY intake manifolds? Even I wont bother wasting my time on that.

I think Tom was referring to using nitrous on top of the PC, it is kind of superfluous. You can hit 280whp with the PC alone "relatively" easily.

 

true. but over kill is fun. and a manifold isnt hard to make its jsut really time consuming, and i really wouldnt try anyways. but since we are speaking manifolds willa y2k maifold work with this combo ir will it explode,lol. the place o though would be ideal for the nitrous port would be under the throttle body in the main down tube before it splits up. or would this just be a bad spot?