How do you get spaces right in this space?

----------------Kinematic Viscosity---------Visc
Fluid -----------cSt 100-------cSt 40-------Idx-----------4-ball wear-------Falex
WSD-MC2--------15.4-----------76 ---------211--------------?-------------?

Amsoil
Synt Man Tr------14.7-----------84.5---------151-----------.45------------ ?

Amsoil
Severe gear------16.7-----------109.1--------165------------?----------- 2500

Amsoil
Long Life Gr------16.6------------129.7--------137------------?----------- 2000

Royal Purp
Max Gear---------19.1------------132-----------?-------------?-------------?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Amsoil
Synchromesh -----9.6 -------------47.1 --------194 ----------.40-----------?

Royal Purp
Synchromax -------7.7 ------------35.3 --------196------------?------------?


The Royal purple site also call for 10w40 for the SVT fluid, but I could not find the specs on that.

 

Those name brands of oils are a waste of money in my opinion , I have found no longer life or less ware from those brands

Tom

 

Tom, what do you use?

 

That depends on many thing , where you live , NA or FI , DD or track

My SVT that I use for 300+HP DD/Track I use Syn engine oil

Tom

 

The Amsoil is half the price of the Ford WSD-M2C200-C, so I was figuring on save a few bucks and getting .001 HP .

At this point with the service grading, pretty much any oil (as long as it is the correct grade for your car) should be pretty reliable.

Tom,
In some of the tuner mags, they are constantly quoting ~5hp from wizz-bang synthetic over mineral based oil. Have you ever looked at any HP gain on the dyno using one oil vs another?

 

I 100% like the synthetic oils and feel there can be gains from using them , Just so there is no confusion about this I do not mean oils like rp , amsoil etc , I mean std on the shelf syn oils

Tom

 

I run Royal Purple 10W-40 in mine...& change it around 30,000 miles..I now have 103,000 & no problems.

 

I've been using RP for a while. I'm probably just gonna use something a bit cheaper next, I don't think it makes enough of a difference for the extra cash

 

Tom, whats your opinion on what fluid i should use on a stock tranny with a cammed motor? For the svt....

 

well i have syncromax from royal purple in my svt right now, what would you recommend for spirited daily driver and lives in the midwest?

 

same exact question for me!!! lol

 

I run RP syncromax as well but im woundering if i can get away with something else..


Oh and for more input on what i should use (Tom) the car isnt used for daily driving. Its track and shows only.

 

How much per quart is the Ford tranny fluid?

 

Looked like about $18 per quart, but how many time do you change trans fluid.
I started this because I was concerned about the synchromax viscosity that looked a bit thin compared to the Ford spec fluids. Hate to see trans dropping from bad fluid choices.

 

JamminSVT - Thanks for the reference, looks like some great info in there!

 

One has to be careful with equating higher viscosity numbers with being better. Beyond a certain point higher viscosities simply cause more heat generation.

In something like a gearbox you need to achieve a certain minimum viscosity for the rolling element bearings. Typically SKF will suggest 10 Cst as a minimum. All the oils you list will easily achieve that since the operating temperature for the gearbox should be well below 100 deg C.

For the gears themselves, the additive package in the oil is more important since you typically have extremely high sliding pressures at the tooth contact points. Again I'd expect most "quality" oils to have a good additive package which is rated for EP contact.

Once you have satisfied those requirements, thinner is generally better from a fuel economy and heat generation standpoint.

If you look back in history, the motor oils used were generally much more viscous than the modern recommendations. Its not that the bearing technology improved that much, its just the manufacturers wanted better fuel economy and improved analysis techniques showed that you could safely run with thinner oils.

 

Agree , If your looking for MPG and your engine is close to stock then just stick with the oil like what came in your car maybe going to synthetic to help more
BUT ! If you making 1 to 6 times the stock HP then the stock WT oils and builds in my opinion are not going to do the job

Tom

 

i hate reading these parts...I had my mind set on something, then i read this...and now i am all torn up inside (tranny fluid)

 

Agreed, I am planning on changing my tranny fluid this weekend when I do my oil.. was planning on some RP, but now just thinking a quality synthetic..

 

im assuming this is the amsoil synthetic manual trans lube you speak of?
https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/mtg.aspx

 

https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/mtg.aspx

That is it. Again I was just questioning the Synchroxxx type oils in the Getrag gived the base Ford specs.
Just something to investigate before overspending on fluid you don't need, or putting in the wrong fluid based on the Ford spec.

The other Getrag fluid threads are confusing and full of opinions. I didn't see anything that compared the fluid specs, and I just happened upon the Ford base specs, so I though I would try to post some 'good' info based on the fluids.

 

would this one work then?

mobil 1

it has some specs at the end

 

That looks pretty comparable:

----------------Kinematic Viscosity---------Visc
Fluid -----------cSt 100-------cSt 40-------Idx-----------4-ball wear-------Falex
WSD-MC2--------15.4-----------76 ---------211--------------?-------------?

Amsoil
Synt Man Tr------14.7-----------84.5---------151-----------.45------------ ?

Mobil1 LS---------15.2-----------106---------150------------?---------------?

Depending on price, this looks good.
Amsoil does mention a friction modifier for manual transmissions. Not sure if that is an issue...

 

i was about to purchase rp for the getrag, can i use mercon V? i read somewhere that it can be used in any transmision auto or manual that ford has used?

 

No, trans fluid is even thinner than synchromax. I would strongly advise AGAINST auto trans fluid.

 

are you talking by your knowledge or by something written in a manual, i went to 2 ford dealers and they told me they had been using mercon V for the svt, somewhere i read that mike from hillbish had in his ford bible the svt used mercon v, i already have the fluid siting in my room but i cant decide if i should use it or not

 

This one actually says mini cooper- https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/mtf.aspx
where as this one does not- https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/mtg.aspx
so i wonder which to use?

 

The mini cooper-s used our 285 Getrag. There was also a NA mini that used a 252 Getrag, and an AUTO mini. The fluid spec did not specify 285 or 252. There may be very different fluid requirements between each trans.

The Ford fluid spec is posted in the first (2nd posting with spacing to compare) posting in this thread.

You can see that it is closer to a 75w90 gear lube than it is to even a synchromax type fluid. ATF is thinner than synchromax fluid.
The bottom line is that for the 285 Getrag, the Ford spec calls for a synthetic fluid with similar properties. I will not put ATF fluid in my trans and don't think it would be wise for anyone to do that either.

I was just looking for better alternatives to the Ford recommended fluid properties, but as long as you get a modern synthetic with similar properties, you should be good.

 

i went to ford to change the mercon v they gave me for the "honey", man.. they said they dont carry the honey, and that mercon V is what they put in ALL trannies, wtf... going to wait till i go to US and get some real fluid there

 

im using the mobil 1 mercon V auto trans fluid...been in the car for almost 90k haha time to change it out...so it obviously works.