Hows the timming belt?

 

what do you mean by that? like how old is it?, well the condition is good, no cracks or missing teeth, it does have 116K on it though. it will be getting changed in the spring.

 

Yeah, just the condition, tension, ect. Sometimes they snap or shear off teeth lik mine did and it will crank, but not start. Crank the car for a little, then pull all the plugs and check to see if any gas is making it into the cylinder.

 

anyone else got any suggestions?

 

did ur inertia switch get tripped for any reason?

 

i have no idea what that even is? lol

 

check the battery always start with the easy things first and the terminals connection

 

well i mean the engine is cranking... so i dont think its the battery

 

Just check the basics, Air, Fuel, Spark, and all at the right time. Just eliminate each one and you will find your problem.

 

What all did you do to the engine?
Try hitting it with a little ether, to see if it will run. Then you know for sure the timing is good enough to start. You might double check all the fusses and plug ins. The plugs on the injectors themselves , the connection the the fuel rail pressure sensor, and if your buddies are like mine and like to mess with you, check the firing order. Does it sound like it trying to start a little back fire or any thing.Is it cranking fast? the battery is charged up all the way? That always helps.

 

Three main components to run an internal combustion engine; fuel, spark, and air. One of those three is not there. The inertia switch is designed to shut down the engine in the case of an accident. It can be accidently tripped but I doubt that's what happened.

 

well the engine light is stuck on, it still hasnt gone off and its a P1000, the inertia switch wasn't tripped... idk how i could have even tripped it, cause all i did was remove the from crash foam.. we checked the fuel rail pressure connection , checked the spark plugs, and the cylinders, there is NO gas at all in the cylinders... so im starting to think that the injectors are clogged... cause i mean if they weren't at least a little fule would seep into the cylinder right?

also here are the things that we checked.
fuel pump
fuel filter
fuel pressure on rail
spark
plugs
battery
the engine cranking is a normal starting crank, not fast or slow.
cylinder is dry
the ether did make the engine start for half a sec. and thats it, didnt want to lock up the engine.

idk what else could be the problem, everything is connected and fuses are checked...

 

I think the key to your statement was the car sat for a month, the battery could still turn the car over but not have enough juice to start the car. Just check your battery connections, and pull off your terminals for 10 mins to re set the ecu. If you still have the same problem take your battery out and take it to the store to see if its still good.

 

If the battery is turning the engine over easily. It has enough juice to fire the electronics!

Good idea on the inertia switch. I had a friend with a crown vic activate his with a bag of golf clubs

Hit it with the ether AGAIN, this time. Spray it for a second or two after it lights off the engine, just try to keep it running for a few seconds and see if that gets it to keep running

Ether washes down the cyclinder walls but it wont hurt anything really

Also make SURE the injectors are plugged in

Also, no backfiring out the intake right? That would indicate bad timing

Hmmm, its got fire, and fuel and air...Hmmm she should go...

One other thing you can try... This is *******, BUT it has worked for me SEVERAL times on vehicles that have sat. Try bump starting it....5 speed right?

You know how? Either tow it to a hill and drift or try it while being towed behind another car or truck with a tow strap 5-10 MPH is all u need. Turn the key on...let the clutch out and let her turn over and she might light.. IT HAS WORKED FOR ME

ALSO, make sure EXTRA SURE THE PLUGS ARE ON THE COIL IN THE CORRECT ORDER!!!

lEMME KNOW...

 

Hit it with the ether AGAIN, this time. Spray it for a second or two after it lights off the engine, just try to keep it running for a few seconds and see if that gets it to keep running

Ether washes down the cyclinder walls but it wont hurt anything really

Also make SURE the injectors are plugged in check

Also, no backfiring out the intake right? That would indicate bad timing backfire during when? just trying to start it?l

One other thing you can try... This is *******, BUT it has worked for me SEVERAL times on vehicles that have sat. Try bump starting it....5 speed right?
You know how? Either tow it to a hill and drift or try it while being towed behind another car or truck with a tow strap 5-10 MPH is all u need. Turn the key on...let the clutch out and let her turn over and she might light.. IT HAS WORKED FOR ME but i mean there is no fuel at all... how would it keep running?

ALSO, make sure EXTRA SURE THE PLUGS ARE ON THE COIL IN THE CORRECT ORDER!!! check, it's in order from left to right(passenger to driver side) (1-2-3-4)
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dad took off the fuel line at the rail to see if it might have a vac lock from an air bubble in the line, he took it out and we dumped half a cup of gas, then he plugged it back in. it started turning and sounded like it was about to go then just went back to the normal cranking..


i think its time to take out the injectors and clean them and see if that helps, i think they might be clogged... casue i didnt starve the engine of gas before i parked it, that means gas has been sitting in the injectors this whole time...[chair][chair][chair][chair][chair][chair][chair]

 

OK you said you checked these things. But when was the last time they were replaced. Plugs, Wires, Air filter and the fuel filter. Could be as simple as a dirty fuel filter. I dont know how you can clean the injectors with out the right equipment. They are usually put into a device that actually fires them , and the shop will run some cleaning solution through them. I dont think that is your problem. It usually turns out to be something simple. Did you pull the plugs and see what they look like.

 

the plugs are almost brand new, bought them last year, new wires also. the fuel filter has maybe 9-10k on it at most, the fuel filter is fine though we checked it. the fule is not getting from the fuel rail into the injectors then into the cylinder so it HAS to be the injectors... cause there is fuel pressure and the fuel IS going into the rail... but it isn't coming out of the injectors.

 

dumb question but did you disconnect your battery?

 

yes the battery was disconnected the whole time... i think the ecu was completely reset... because when i turned the car on it had dashed lines through the LCD screen so i turned off the key turned it back on and so forth and idk what that was all about but after a minute or two the dash went back to normal.

 

The test light is flashing on and off.? Or you just checked for power?
And the fuel rail sensor ?Plugged in good? Do you have a way to see what kind of fuel pressure you are running. If it is to low the injectors wont fire either.

 

dud get your timing checked... same thig was happeneing to me and it turns out the cam gears came a lil loose...just check that out.

 

not the timing belt... we removed the injectors today and checked to see fi they would squirt fuel, well they did, and hell the car was about to start with just the fumes going in the cylinders... soooo we installed them completely, then started up the car, idled for a min or two, then shut it off...

installed the front end back on then went to start it and same damn thing happened again, so we think its the fuel pressure regulator, or the fuel pump, but since the fuel was coming out and no DCT code, im sure its not the fuel pump.... this focus has been a bitch lately...

 

OH! btw now i have two engine codes.... P1000 still, and a P0113... i looked it up, idk what could be wrong, so im resetting the ecu over night before starting it again to see if that helps. we are installing the pressure regulator tomorrow and if that doesnt work then the fuel pump.

OH edit: btw i do have the MaFia in a box, should i install it and see if that would clear the code? or do i have to tune for that install? lol idk...

 

The Mafia wont help. But cranking the engine over with the injectors out and the ignition still hooked up ? Good way to get burned. Just saying. Yeah , if the pressure sensor is bad , it will cause the symptoms you have. Also If your spark plugs are fuel soaked, remove them and clean em or replace them, even brand new plugs will not fire correctly if soaked...

 

Even if the fuel regulator is bad the car will still start...just run like crap. I remember you said your plugs were dry before. Did you pull one today and check? were they wet?

And iroc, not sayin its a good iddea, BUT if the ignition spark is INSIDE the motor and the fuel rail is off being sprayed into a towel ...Hows it gonna light??? think about it
And I'm sure they had a fire extinuisher nearby? right guys??

Not that you want to hear this, but I have had fuel pumps fail suddenly.. I just did a transmission job this fall and while the tranny came out and went in...yup. Bad fuelpump...it was unbelievable...Car ran, changed tranny...car wouldn't start LOL

But you said you guys heard the fuel pump kick on...still hear it?

 

oh yes we had the fire extinguisher ready, i only cranked it like for 2 sec, with a towel under the injectors and fuel came out, that is why i think its not the fuel pump, but it could be i guess... and yeah i still hear the fuel pump kick on... would there be some way it keeps getting vac locked?

oh, and no we didnt check the plugs again, i mean it ran for a good 5 minutes.. so i figure they would be wet lol

 

Well it sounded like they had the injectors spraying into the cyl,s. It's the fumes that will get you. But good thing it didn't. Man this is a tough one. Sounding more and more like a weak fuel pump.
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Oooohhh, you had it running for 5 minutes? And now it won't start???

Is a tough one, I too am leaning to fuel pump...hmmmm

when you crank it now what does it do?

 

yeah i mean i had it idling to where it was burning the oil off of the long tube header, and it finally quit, so it was about 5 mins. and yeah i try starting it and im back to square one where it will turn but wont fire... it could be that pump is gone to shit.


EDIT:
i mean the oil stopped burning off, there was oil on it because where it was located in the garage lol

 

well my uncle thinks it might be the fuel pump is actually going bad, being weak or so. so we are going to replace it and see how it goes lol

 

Well , what would be easier is to be able to data log. This way you know for sure what pressure you are running. Or a shop with a scanner, Like a Snap -On diagnostic scanner. Also did the 03`s have a TSB on the Fuel Pumps?. I think some of the 01 and 02`s did. It was replaced for up to 10 years i think...