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I can't believe people are still complaining about the DCT. There are so many resources available that inform drivers of the differences between the DCT and a traditional transmission. There are so many resources that give drivers the best techniques to use while driving the DCT. Yet, people continue to complain and curse Ford for not 'fixing' the transmission that works exactly as it was engineered.

Its like if you owned a Corvette and traded it for a Kia Rio and were completely shocked that the Kia Rio doesn't handle like a Corvette. "I had no idea this car would handle so poorly! Kia should fix this problem!" It's like people aren't willing to accept that they should stop driving the Rio like a Corvette and start driving it like a Rio.

If you don't like the way the DCT functions, then you bought the wrong car. The Focus had this transmission BEFORE you bought it, so don't get your panties in a twist when you realize you wanted a different car.

*This post is not directed at the OP, but rather at whiny Mk3 owners*
 
In answer to the question why didn't Ford drop an Escape transmission into the Focus. The answer is gas mileage and CAFE standards. An Escape trans would give you MK2 gas mileage.

I do find it interesting the new 2017 Escape has LOWER gas mileage with its new stop start technology than the outgoing 2016. The 2017 battery must weigh a TON. Somehow Ford is okay with lower gas mileage in that Escape. Why they are not concerned with CAFE I don't understand.

Lastly, when people buy these cars they are not advised on how to drive them. Many salesmen themselves are not good with manual transmissions and don't have that background experience to draw on. Don't put down the buyers. They are just people looking for help.
 
In answer to the question why didn't Ford drop an Escape transmission into the Focus. The answer is gas mileage and CAFE standards. An Escape trans would give you MK2 gas mileage.

I do find it interesting the new 2017 Escape has LOWER gas mileage with its new stop start technology than the outgoing 2016. The 2017 battery must weigh a TON. Somehow Ford is okay with lower gas mileage in that Escape. Why they are not concerned with CAFE I don't understand.
The EPA issued new rules last year describing how to test new vehicles starting with model year 2017.

You can read the entire letter the EPA sent to automakers, which contains details on how many miles the test vehicle should have on it, how old the tires should be and more. here - https://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=34102&flag=1

Hence the MPG change in some of the 2017 vehicles [welcome]

BTW, Ford Europe is using the same automatic transmission from the Escape in the Focus equipped with the 1.5l EcoBoost.
 
I can't believe people are still complaining about the DCT. There are so many resources available that inform drivers of the differences between the DCT and a traditional transmission. There are so many resources that give drivers the best techniques to use while driving the DCT. Yet, people continue to complain and curse Ford for not 'fixing' the transmission that works exactly as it was engineered.

Its like if you owned a Corvette and traded it for a Kia Rio and were completely shocked that the Kia Rio doesn't handle like a Corvette. "I had no idea this car would handle so poorly! Kia should fix this problem!" It's like people aren't willing to accept that they should stop driving the Rio like a Corvette and start driving it like a Rio.

If you don't like the way the DCT functions, then you bought the wrong car. The Focus had this transmission BEFORE you bought it, so don't get your panties in a twist when you realize you wanted a different car.

*This post is not directed at the OP, but rather at whiny Mk3 owners*
I very well knew about how a dct works and shifts well before ford started using it, as VW had them starting in 2003 with a better wet clutch unit. us VW techs started going to schools for them in 2002.we well knew how they work. fords using the poorer less torque rated dry clutch design is the issue, it simply fails to work as well as the stronger wet design, electric ver hydraulic operation.
why am I ticked off? it is sold and listed as a automatic not what it is. sales people don't know about it's operation or fail to tell people about how it works. they simply sell it as a automatic . the dct is something a non tech wouldn't know anything about,

sailor yes ford could very well use the 6f35 6 speed escape trans since it is used in the base 2x4 escape mated with the 2.5l duratech engine a bigger bother of the 2.0 and both cars share a lot of parts,
the euro ver focus with a 1.5 ecoboost I sure would love to know more about as it's drive line here in the usa.IMM would help ford regain the bad word that the dry dct has caused them and increase sales at the same time. taking away people long time ford owners like myself who are going to the mazda 3 version of the focus
 
Thank you, should have remembered that one (6F35) as it's been discussed before as an alternative.

IIRC the reasons mentioned for not using it were primarily that it's "overkill" for the purpose matched to a 2.0 or 1.6 N/A as in the Focus & Fiesta. Larger/heavier/more complex & expensive than needed supposedly, since it was designed for larger vehicles.

Interesting to see it mated to the 1.5 Ecoboost in newer European versions.

(I'm sure I'd be happier with one of those if I had a MkIII automatic, prefer not to have one at all but if you need one the traditional type can be handy. DCT's need to be great to be worth the downsides.)
 
ford is already stuffing the 2.3 ecoboost into the focus rs, so using a 1.5 or 2.0 eco wouldn't be any problem, parts are already in place.also the 6f35 's weight isn't much more then the dct,
it is a very efficient smooth long lasting automatic from a techs point having done rebuilds on high mileage units, they would not kill the mpg ratings by much, esp when I compare my focus and escape 2.0's head to head both get 25 city and upper 30's highway
 
I very well knew about how a dct works and shifts well before ford started using it, as VW had them starting in 2003 with a better wet clutch unit. us VW techs started going to schools for them in 2002.we well knew how they work. fords using the poorer less torque rated dry clutch design is the issue, it simply fails to work as well as the stronger wet design, electric ver hydraulic operation.
why am I ticked off? it is sold and listed as a automatic not what it is. sales people don't know about it's operation or fail to tell people about how it works. they simply sell it as a automatic .
[rolleyes]People complained about the VW DSG for YEARS. If you were unfortunate enough to have an early DSG in your VW or Audi, chances are you have spent a minimum of $2k to have the DSG replaced at some point. Ask any owner of the VW DSG, new or old, and they will tell you that the behaviors are the same. Jerking at low speed, noisy operation in traffic, as well as hunting for the right gear at the wrong time. You could spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a Lamborghini and the transmission will still feel like it's made out of cardboard because that's just how automated manuals work.

Ford used the dry clutch Powershift in North American markets because A- It was cheaper to produce and B- it is designed to be maintenance free for 150,000 miles; a clear selling point in a market full of know-nothing consumers that have the majority of their auto maintenance done at the same store where they buy cat litter and bread.

There has never been anything wrong with the transmission, just people not knowing how to drive it. It's so UNFORTUNATE that the clutch packs seem to burn up after several thousand miles of abuse....[8]

Detailed information on this transmission and its behaviors has been readily available since at least 2011, so anyone too ignorant to research before their purchase gets no sympathy from me.

The dct is something a non tech wouldn't know anything about.
Yeah, because the same non tech people know everything there is to know about traditional automatics.... These are probably the same people killing themselves with the new Chrysler automatics where they just forget to put the car in park and it runs them over, that is IF they haven't already killed themselves when they forgot to shut the car off because it has keyless start.[nono][nono]
 
Lol I read that too! Seat adustment can be solved by putting some tape on the adjuster to where it suits the driver. If sone one tampers with it, just adjust it to where the tape lines up.
I REFUSE to let ANYONE drive my baby, ford focus or not!
It's not simply the back/forth adjustment that changes but the up/down and tilt that can change with a different driver. 6 way power seats are ok, but if they had a memory for the settings used by the main driver, it would be really nice.
 
It's not simply the back/forth adjustment that changes but the up/down and tilt that can change with a different driver. 6 way power seats are ok, but if they had a memory for the settings used by the main driver, it would be really nice.
That feature is available - at a higher price point.

Individual fobs that automatically set the seat for that driver are avail. as well, don't even have to get in & push a button, all adjustments are made once you open the door.
 
Whatever your preferences, the DCT will be around as basically configured until the initial contracts/planned production of the initial run is complete.

What succeeds it is an open question, Getrag is replacing it with a wet clutch version but that may or may not ever see use in the Focus.

It's in the 6th year of use for Fiesta/Focus, and there will be more before it's done.

Disastrous as it may be to some, it's not bad enough to toss out the joint venture factory built for it's production. Only total failure with no means of improvement would have resulted in that.

Availability of some other units doesn't mean that enough are avail as replacements, and they can't just toss the sunk capital & agreements made for the planned production.

Will there be a 6f25 as a replacement? Any who know don't seem to be talking yet.
 
I can't believe people are still complaining about the DCT. There are so many resources available that inform drivers of the differences between the DCT and a traditional transmission. There are so many resources that give drivers the best techniques to use while driving the DCT. Yet, people continue to complain and curse Ford for not 'fixing' the transmission that works exactly as it was engineered.

Its like if you owned a Corvette and traded it for a Kia Rio and were completely shocked that the Kia Rio doesn't handle like a Corvette. "I had no idea this car would handle so poorly! Kia should fix this problem!" It's like people aren't willing to accept that they should stop driving the Rio like a Corvette and start driving it like a Rio.

If you don't like the way the DCT functions, then you bought the wrong car. The Focus had this transmission BEFORE you bought it, so don't get your panties in a twist when you realize you wanted a different car.

*This post is not directed at the OP, but rather at whiny Mk3 owners*
I'm new to the DCT. What would have helped me was more detail as to how the 'automatic' piece of the vehicle was attained. Had I known that I would avoided it and looked for a traditional automatic. If Ford thinks the DCT is so good then they should sing its praises and make sure every potential buyer knows up front that it is in fact an automated manual transmission with some unique drive-ability traits. That way, the folks that then buy the car know what they are getting into. Maybe the window build sheet could point out the features?
 
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