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Ever since I got my car I take it to the Ford dealership twice a year for the "Works" package, oil change, rotate tires, check fluids, tires, etc. If you are familiar with their form, the last time they checked two red boxes. It indicated immediate attention was needed for fluid levels and "axle issues such as drive shaft boots, cvboots, u-joints, transmission linkage". I asked the service advisor why. The cars drives and sounds fine. I have a 2012 with 35000 miles on it.

I was told the Ford rep who visits them said their customer vehicles should be on a severe service schedule. The engine coolant should be changed at 30,000 miles and the fuel injectors cleaned to prevent carbon buildup. I asked if that was because it is a direct injection engine. He said it is to improve fuel economy. I then asked what axle issues were the problem. He said they would have to put it on a lift to see what the tech saw. He did say drive shaft boots are the most common problem ( it was the first on the list of problems ).

I told them I would get back to them on an appointment to take care of these issues. At home I checked the owners manual that came with the car. It does not include a maintenance schedule for severe use. The regular schedule says to change the fluid at 100,000 miles and says NOTHING about cleaning the fuel injectors. My gas mileage is fine by the way.

My baloney meter says the dealership is trying to generate service revenue. But maybe my meter needs to be recalibrated. Where can I find a severe use maintenance schedule? Is suburban driving in the Chicago area considered severe use by Ford? Most driving is between 5 and 50 miles mph. Some stop and go driving but nothing like if I lived in the city of Chicago. Would I know if boots or joints were going bad? How common a problem is this for the Focus?

I use to think very highly of the service department at this dealership. Now I am not so sure.
Should I follow their recommendations to keep my 5 year/60 month powertrain warranty in force? I asked how much cv-boots cost. He said $400/boot parts and labor. He said they are not covered under warranty. I checked my warranty guide it says Front Wheel Drive cars have universal and constant velocity joints covered. Does that not include the boot?

I have had two clutch replacements done for free at this dealership. Is it now trying to recover lost money from those repairs? I thought Ford reimbursed the dealerships fully in those instances.
 
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This is the dealership I bought the car from. Maybe they are nudging me to buy another vehicle? They also said I needed a transmission fluid change at 50,000 miles. The normal maintenance schedule says change fluid at 150,000 miles. The clutches were last replaced in November 2015, about 5000 miles ago. Were any fluids drained and replaced at that time?
 
This is the dealership I bought the car from. Maybe they are nudging me to buy another vehicle? They also said I needed a transmission fluid change at 50,000 miles. The normal maintenance schedule says change fluid at 150,000 miles. The clutches were last replaced in November 2015, about 5000 miles ago. Were any fluids drained and replaced at that time?
I could see the trans fluid about 100k. The coolant I believe is 100k coolant. If one of the cv boots are ripped or torn, I'd have it replaced as you don't want to get road dirt or water in the cv's. The fuel injector cleaning is a option, no required. Yea city driving= stopping, starting vs highway driving is going to be different. I really don't see how it could be considered severe. One more way for the dealership to make money. If for sure the cv boot is torn or ripped, I'd get the boot replaced as soon as possible. I'd figure out if the boot is covered, if not, checkout other shops in your area, no required to have the dealer do the work. Use quality fluids/ filters & stick to what the manual says.
 
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I've had the service department at a dealer tell me i needed a trans service at 50k. When I stated that fine it's covered under my premium maintenance plan he argued that it wasn't. When I showed him the plan (which I have saved on my phone) he stated he made a mistake and its 150k.

Had another dealer tell me I needed to have my throttle body cleaned at 28,000 miles.

They're just trying to take advantage of ignorant drivers. Arm yourself by becoming more educated on the needs of your car maintenance.
 
Surprised they haven't mentioned a brake fluid flush, as thats great to do ever few yrs.
 
Everyone is trying to make money on service after a purchase whether is a dept. store, electronics retailer and of course auto service centers. You tube is full of video catching scam artists. My favorites was the expose on Jiffy-Lube.
 
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It indicated immediate attention was needed..."axle issues such as drive shaft boots, cvboots, u-joints, transmission linkage".

I then asked what axle issues were the problem. He said they would have to put it on a lift to see what the tech saw. He did say drive shaft boots are the most common problem ( it was the first on the list of problems ).
This part is hilarious. I'm guessing that list of items is straight off the standard "Works" form? So, a tech sees a specific problem that needs "immediate attn" with one of the items, yet he just checks the general box and doesn't note what he saw? They'd have to put it back on the lift to figure it out?
 
Balony meter pegging at 100%..
Agree though, on the brake flush. It should be done every 3years.
And is an odd thing almost is never mentioned by dealers.
I would guess replacing endless brake parts at 5 years s more lucrative than a simple flush at 3 years.

Like brake pads with 50% left called for replacing.. NOT.

The axle boots only need replacing if they get torn. The rubber is pretty strong. and unlikely to crack for many many years. (20 plus)
I would guess someone might think preemptive replacement would be OK for folks with money to burn...
 
BS meter pegged.

An actual axle concern (torn boot) would be properly noted - and any DECENT service dept. would call the customer immediately with an estimate as that WOULD need immediate attention. (road hazard damage)
 
Any "flush" is baloney. not called for in the service schedule.
Yea a brake flush isn't in the service schedule, but I recommend doing it ever few yrs. It does make a difference on your braking & pedal feel. The brake system isn't like a closed a/c system.
 
The flush needed is with the paper with the recommended services. Down the toilet.
 
A couple of years ago I stopped at a Fastlane on a Saturday morning to have someone look at a tire I noticed had a screw in it. The writer was telling this woman about all the flushings and other most likely unnecessary stuff she needed to schedule for her car.
 
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Took car to independent garage that we have satisfactorily used in the past and had them inspect the car. They said I did not need coolant flush or fuel injector clean hearing the miles and age of the car. But they did check the fluids and said they look fine. They also examined under the car and said there are no axle issues like cv or universal joints, etc. I even asked him to check the motor mounts. He said it all looks fine and Ford service must have been slow and trying to drum up work. So if what you are told doesn't seem right go ahead and get a second opinion! This is very disappointing to me. This is the dealer I bought the car from and have had all my service done at. I thought because of that I might be treated better by them!
 
as a now retired dealer master tech, service manager and a factory dsm, I'll chime in to the dealer BS line also.
all this add on 30k list they all try to push is to help the tech make up for lost time doing warranty work that they loose time on.
I also had them try that line, right after I had done a tuneup on a Toyota Tacoma that did call for spark plugs at 30k . looking the tech in the face I asked if he had visibly checked the items? no just your at the mileage for that OP's list. he sure didn't like being told what I felt he would possibly do with the brand new parts already in the car , when it was done the day before I went in for warranty work
it is sad that many dealers and techs have become rip offs by telling people they need when they don't or do a half ????? job.
 
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