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When I get settled into housing here I will likely do the Sol A, Filter and fluid again. I think things got gunked up with 2,000 of no OD driving. If that doesn't clear the slipping shift (and bury the emotion light fault for good) I wll probably do Sol C and see if that does it. It is so easy to open the pan up I will hold rebuying the $200 Sol C in reserve.
Hi, welcome to FF.

If me, and doing it a second time, I would buy the whole kit $159 (LINK) and replace all 6 solenoids. No sense (to me) in buying another SSA or $200-SSC from your local Ford dealer.

Classic bad SSA symptoms are sometimes fixed after second repair effort by replacing SSB. Do not remember if someone got a second-effort fix with SSC replacement, but it too is a player during EPC control verses throttle position. Your slips/failures do seem like they are showing up at some and not all throttle demands tho....

GL.
 
I don't hesitate to reuse ATX oil at all IF IT'S GOOD AND CLEAN.

Driving 2K on no OD didn't hurt anything by itself, old school cars drove without any OD at all and the trans ratio was still 1 to 1 like these are in 3rd gear. The fluids lasted 60K doing that and these use synthetic which goes even longer. The old school trannies also slipped converter all the time, these lock it with a clutch and that lowers trans fluid heat tremendously. Heat is what turns the fluid from red to orange and then brown to be dark.

If the problem is 3 to OD shift then servo piston can break loose its' pin to do that or servo may simply need another longer band bolt, it has worn band enough so that it slips slightly and both issues can be erratic. Bolt on the other end of band from servo comes in slightly different lengths to do that, but common for trans shops to tell you you need a new trans in lieu of that quick fix, it makes them far more money. Both 3 and 4 use the direct clutch pack too, high mileage trans end cover wear can make for direct clutch hydraulic circuit leaks that produce that slip occasionally. Usually reverse suffers first but not always.

PCM can only point towards solenoid issues because that is the only thing that can be electrically detected, it cannot deduce exact mechanical problems. When a solenoid code pops up, it should be more widely interpreted as could be anything that solenoid plays with including hard parts, the wiring to the solenoid could easily be frayed or broken internally as well.

Look up my posting on how to get key to turn on forever after it starts not turning on, after lock cylinder is in your hand 30 seconds of work and zero $$$ to fix it pretty much forever. DON'T wait until it won't come out, you may have to drill it out then, most do. better done before it becomes a problem.

I as well personally remove the solenoid under the shifter, whoops! missing parts cause no problems.......................
 
Hi, welcome to FF.

If me, and doing it a second time, I would buy the whole kit $159 (LINK) and replace all 6 solenoids. No sense (to me) in buying another SSA or $200-SSC from your local Ford dealer.

Classic bad SSA symptoms are sometimes fixed after second repair effort by replacing SSB. Do not remember if someone got a second-effort fix with SSC replacement, but it too is a player during EPC control verses throttle position. Your slips/failures do seem like they are showing up at some and not all throttle demands tho....

GL.
Great tip and thanks for the link. It's got about 3,000 miles since the last fix including a California to Ohio trip. Other than a slight slip in teh shift it's holding up.

Move into house in 3 weeks. Can't wait to have a garage again...
 
I don't hesitate to reuse ATX oil at all IF IT'S GOOD AND CLEAN.

Driving 2K on no OD didn't hurt anything by itself, old school cars drove without any OD at all and the trans ratio was still 1 to 1 like these are in 3rd gear. The fluids lasted 60K doing that and these use synthetic which goes even longer. The old school trannies also slipped converter all the time, these lock it with a clutch and that lowers trans fluid heat tremendously. Heat is what turns the fluid from red to orange and then brown to be dark.
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Look up my posting on how to get key to turn on forever after it starts not turning on, after lock cylinder is in your hand 30 seconds of work and zero $$$ to fix it pretty much forever. DON'T wait until it won't come out, you may have to drill it out then, most do. better done before it becomes a problem.

I as well personally remove the solenoid under the shifter, whoops! missing parts cause no problems.......................
After son drove 2,500 miles with no OD the fluid was (in hindsight) very dark. I am sure he cooked it. When I got there and we drove on the freeway I am sure the RPM was over 3,500. That's what made me notice the problem in the first place.

Fluid is cheap comparitively. I wouldn't save $20 when changing out the solenod.

I am in with the shifter soelnoid and key problem. But these fixes are also cheap to do it back to original. New shifter is like $50 and the key barrel and coding is a no brainer.

Totally agree to do the key before it needs it.

My kid also wants to do some customizing on the car and I figure there could be some good summer projects in it for him and I to get some bonding time in before he heads off to the Navy later this year.

Only a few months left to pass on fatherly "wisdom" like how not to get ripped off by auto mechanics, plumbers etc... OK my estrogen level is getting too high I better stop here - LOL...
 
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If the problem is 3 to OD shift then servo piston can break loose its' pin to do that or servo may simply need another longer band bolt, it has worn band enough so that it slips slightly and both issues can be erratic. Bolt on the other end of band from servo comes in slightly different lengths to do that, but common for trans shops to tell you you need a new trans in lieu of that quick fix, it makes them far more money. Both 3 and 4 use the direct clutch pack too, high mileage trans end cover wear can make for direct clutch hydraulic circuit leaks that produce that slip occasionally. Usually reverse suffers first but not always.

PCM can only point towards solenoid issues because that is the only thing that can be electrically detected, it cannot deduce exact mechanical problems. When a solenoid code pops up, it should be more widely interpreted as could be anything that solenoid plays with including hard parts, the wiring to the solenoid could easily be frayed or broken internally as well.

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This is excellent info and you definitely sound like you know this tranny well. Thanks for sharing. I've read some of the other posts about how to get into the tranny and fix some of the realtively "common" wear out parts and failures. I am not shy about that kinda stuff once I get my garage and get it organized.

To be honest I may be having a senior moment. The shift slip may be 2-3 not 3-4. I will have to double check. I am not driving "his" car since I got my new (to me) Jeep Liberty.

That animal (a 2012) has its own list of demons that can pop up - LOL...

As for all this electronic mumbo jumbo today? It's our fault. It started sme time in the mid '70s the day I put electronic points on my '67 Chevelle 327 to get a hotter spark - LOL...

Look what we started - The good old "Powerslide" transmission didn't have any freakin' wires going to it or in it. Just a vacuum tube (and a high stall torque converter) - LOL...
 
The servo controls 2 and 4 so any combination of going into 2-3 or 3-4 can show up there. Slips too early coming out of 2 and slips late going into 4.

I used to put Vega converters in Turbo 400s behind 454 BBC to get cheap man's hi-stall converter...we at one time had a 2 speed Powerglide that ran in the mid 9's at 140 mph 1/4 mi. '70 Corvette............we should be shot for butchering that car, I groan to think of what a '70 with 454 4 speed would bring now............
 
Drove it again tonight. Definitely 2-3. Only happens under lighter acceleration. Moderate acceleration or heavy acceleration it shifts clean - Intuition would say a pressure problem. Higher rpm = higher pressure?

Sold my '67 Chevelle for $1500 in 1981. Shoulda put it in a barn...

Also put a 400 small block in a Datsun pickup but that's another story for another forum - LOL...
 
Congrats ErinP. Replaced Solenoid A and B right? Good job.



ATX trans issues are one problem that I fully support "throwing solenoids at it". Mostly because of the looming prices you might pay a professional shop to properly diag and fix a trans problem... and other factors too. However, your earlier post does not lead me to believe you have a trans problem that solenoid replacement might fix.

Have you created your own thread yet... where you have detailed your car symptoms and history? If not, you might get better help with your own thread.
Well, I threw down and replaced them all and still no fix. Also, bought some coil pigtails I'll throw at it next week when the weather picks up. Yeah, solenoids didn't do the trick, but when I sell it, it'll almost be a brand newish car!
I haven't created my own thread on it because half the people couldn't work under a good shade tree, another quarter are professional focus genius wannabes that all say... read through the posts, and the other quarter say something they heard once from a guy they know about a story their best friends uncle told them about a ford escort that they worked on once.

But, at least the thread on transmission fluid changes was informative. Thanks![thumb]
 
Go ahead & throw a set of "coil pigtails" on that duratec, not likely to solve anything unless mice chewed them off but what do we know?

Oops - gave you an answer you didn't want....
 
Lol.

Someone has obviously never checked the success rate of even the best trans shops around, they themselves have maybe only a 50% success rate and why they commonly replace the entire trans now, they cannot find out what is wrong with them and very common.
 
Go ahead & throw a set of "coil pigtails" on that duratec, not likely to solve anything unless mice chewed them off but what do we know?

Oops - gave you an answer you didn't want....
Love this guy!!! Maybe you should read through the posts about ripped o-rings inside the connectors....Sorry if I'm trying to get it running right for the next person...
 
At 183,000 miles the odds are that anything wrong there will be from wear rather than electrical..............several places for that to happen at high miles on these.
 
I have a 2014 Ford. Focus Hatchback. I have trouble with the Transmission Problems and was told that the car has a automatic and a standard transmission? This car is not a good car or even a safe car to drive. I never know when it's going to decide not to change gears while driving it, it shudders and hesitates when I take off from a sitting positions. The only thing the dealer service department can tell me is the clutch needs resetting or adjusting when I feel the car not shifting.
 
Best to start a new thread - this is MAINLY for the solenoid packs in the Gen 1 and Gen II Focus ATX.

The Gen III has a DCT (Dual clutch transmission) - basically an electronically shifted manual transmission.

Plenty of info on it in the Gen III forum and the warranty on (parts of) it has been extended, so your dealer service department should be working with you to make it right.

BTW - it typicallly isn't clutch re-setting or adjusting, it is usually clutch pack replacement or TCM (transmission control module) replacement.
 
I got a P0972 - Shift Solenoid A Control Circuit Range/Performance error code.

Couldn't find any information on focus fanatics about P0972.

I guess I need to replace Solenoid A but I want to be sure since this code never showed up on the whole forum!

Symptoms: Flashing O/D, harsh neutral to first gear (D) or reverse


EDIT: wife 2007 MK1.5 70K miles 4spd auto 2.0L
 
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