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They say it's the little things that kill. I started with a 68 Dodge Dart, then a Ford Tempo, then a Pontiac Grand Am all years ago. After the Pontiac I swore off American cars and for the next 15 years I drove only Japanese cars with the exception of the 2012 Jeep Liberty I had for about a year (hated it).

The Japanese manufacturers all give much better warranties than American ones. Companies like Toyota set up plants here employing Americans and paying much better than their American competitors, and support our economy with taxes and sales. I noticed things like they pay attention to the most important detail to me that driving's about the experience, not getting from point A to point B like almost every American manufacturer seems to focus on. The styling seems to me to be much more classy, and the appointments: they pay attention to every want a consumer has.

Take the Rav4: it has 10 cup holders. I don't know why you need 10, but it's nice they have it. There are the two in the center, each of the four doors has a true cupholder, the armrest in back has two, and in the very back there's two more. They have a power outlet in back and front. They have two storage compartments in the center armrest in front and two glove boxes. Plus, they have functional storage spots next to the steering wheel and by the radio and above it. I'm really not sure what the Focus thing to the right of the steering wheel is supposed to hold. It can't hold a phone, a box of cigarettes, or even a mini LED flashlight. In the very back of the Rav4 you have a huge storage compartment and a smaller one, a little net storage thing on the back door, and side storage compartments that are functional where you put the tire jack and all. And you can stow gear under the back seats. They have multiple aux plugs, USB, and so forth. And the V6 version of it's faster than an F150 Raptor and gets 27mpg, better than my Focus.

I realize that's an SUV and it's not really fair to compare, but I've had two Eclipses that paid closer attention to the little details, a WRX that paid better attention, and even a Toyota Corolla. My 2005 Corolla had a 60/40 split back seat with a center armrest. My 2012 Focus SE doesn't. The WHOLE back seat has to fold down so no back seat passengers and longer gear. My 2005 Corolla had cruise control, but for some reason Ford decided the Focus didn't need it. And have you tried to shut off traction control? What a pain using that menu system is. A button like everyone else does was too hard? And what's with having a rain light setting that only works occasionally? I had an Escape for a few days and the SUV was nice, really nice even though it was only 2WD, but the sync computer navigation thing was unnecessarily complicated.

I love the color of my car. I have the racing red. I love the sound especially with the K&N filter, but it ends there. The more I drive it the more I want to pay it off quick and get something Japanese again. The only American car I've driven recently that seems to be paying attention to what younger people, or people in touch with reality in general want is Chevy. I hate the way Chevy's look and their engine's pretty much suck unless it's one of their muscle cars or the Vette, but sit in a Sonic or Spark and look at all the details they paid attention to. Did you know new Honda Civics come with standard bluetooth radios and steering wheel controls to answer the phone? They also come with a standard rear camera and I believe backup assist. HID and nav would be nice standards, too, but some companies get it and some don't.
 
The first half of your article is completely irrelivent to this forum. A ford focus is a base model car for ford. Wrx and eclipses are not. So you should expect that a wrx should have a higher build quality and more user friendly accommodations when your paying twice as much for the car. Even corollas are a entire price class above the focus. A better argument would be to compare it to the camry where the focus's price and features are near identical. And your right, many American cars,especially base models such as the focus are designed for a younger market since there the ones who will be more likely to purchase these cars
 
The first half of your article is completely irrelivent to this forum. A ford focus is a base model car for ford. Wrx and eclipses are not. So you should expect that a wrx should have a higher build quality and more user friendly accommodations when your paying twice as much for the car. Even corollas are a entire price class above the focus. A better argument would be to compare it to the camry where the focus's price and features are near identical. And your right, many American cars,especially base models such as the focus are designed for a younger market since there the ones who will be more likely to purchase these cars
You're confusing the Fiesta with the Focus.

The Focus is in the exact same class as the Corolla, Impreza, Civic etc.

The Fiesta is a price class lower.

In terms of hierarchy

Focus = Impreza

Focus ST = Impreza WRX (Yes I know that technically now they dropped the Impreza name from the car, but it's still nothing but a tweaked Impreza)

Focus RS = Impreza WRX STI (Yes I know that technically now they dropped the Impreza name from the car, but it's still nothing but a tweaked Impreza STI)
 
I did get my corolla and camry confused there but I still wouldn't compare a focus to the impress. Maybe a legacy.
Now the st does compare well to imprezas
 
I feel like you bought a car that didn't come with want you wanted. If those features are necessary for you then you could have added options or chosen a different car with those options. You really only limited yourself here as the focus has options to add everything you were talking about. If everything was standard your car would cost a great deal more than it did. options cost money no way around that. A base focus costs 2k less than a base civic. You pay for all that extra equipment.
 
I apparently need to study my new cars some more, I completely forgot about the fiesta
When your looking at a Fiesta, Checkout a ST version. One of the most fun to drive vehicles out there for the money.
 
I feel like you bought a car that didn't come with want you wanted. If those features are necessary for you then you could have added options or chosen a different car with those options. You really only limited yourself here as the focus has options to add everything you were talking about. If everything was standard your car would cost a great deal more than it did. options cost money no way around that. A base focus costs 2k less than a base civic. You pay for all that extra equipment.
I concur ^^^^^^^^^^^
 
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Companies like Toyota set up plants here employing Americans and paying much better than their American competitors, and support our economy with taxes and sales.
And send the profits right back to Japan. The last time I looked out my window, I saw a beautiful red white and blue flag with stars and stripes, not a flag with the land of the rising sun. Americans should work for American companies, not be enslaved to the Japanese. Some of the best designers and engineers in the world are right here in the USA.

I noticed things like they pay attention to the most important detail to me that driving's about the experience, not getting from point A to point B like almost every American manufacturer seems to focus on. The styling seems to me to be much more classy, and the appointments: they pay attention to every want a consumer has.
Then cover up and lie about major safety defects like Toyota with their unintended acceleration? Seems your Japanese company moved people from point A to point B even when they didn't want to.
 
These companies also are cutting ethical corners left and right. Yes there cars have to cohere with us regulations and laws but that's only in the us. We have no controll over how these businesses managethemselves in their own countries
 
And send the profits right back to Japan. The last time I looked out my window, I saw a beautiful red white and blue flag with stars and stripes, not a flag with the land of the rising sun. Americans should work for American companies, not be enslaved to the Japanese. Some of the best designers and engineers in the world are right here in the USA.



Then cover up and lie about major safety defects like Toyota with their unintended acceleration? Seems your Japanese company moved people from point A to point B even when they didn't want to.
Meh, everyone car manufacturer has issues lets not forget the exploding pinto ;) this is too political of a reason to really deal with. OP simply bought a car without features he wanted. Plain and simple.
 
OP simply bought a car without features he wanted. Plain and simple.
That's about it, as mentioned earlier the items 'missing" are avail. in a different version or by option.

Even that "useless" cubby is actually a replacement for a switch panel used in a higher option version.
 
this is too political of a reason to really deal with
Perhaps you missed the thesis of the OP:

The Japanese manufacturers all give much better warranties than American ones. Companies like Toyota set up plants here employing Americans and paying much better than their American competitors, and support our economy with taxes and sales.
I merely offered an American counterpoint.
 
2012 must've not come with stuff standard that the 2013 did. My 2013 SE (with 0 extra options, added the fog lights myself) came with cruise control, and the back seats split 1 and 2 so you can haul gear and other passengers. I feel like you should have waited a few years until Ford got all the kinks out of their completely refreshed Focus.
 
Compared to a lot of the late model, base model import cars I see come in at work, the Focus is pretty well equipped to compete with its class. I can't say I've ever driven an import that has been released recently and thought to myself "man I wish I had that feature". Not to mention the lower model Toyotas and Hondas feel extremely lifeless compared to the focus and its European influenced suspension and design. If we're talking reliability, over the last 10 years it seems imports have become slightly less reliable and american cars have made great strides in reliability.
 
Companies like Toyota set up plants here employing Americans and paying much better than their American competitors, and support our economy with taxes and sales.
For a time. We build Toyota Corolla's up here in Ontario, and in a short time the entire plant is closing to move operations to Mexico. So. Yeah no.
 
Companies like Toyota set up plants here employing Americans and paying much better than their American competitors, and support our economy with taxes and sales.
Fact Check: GM’s average hourly labor cost in the U.S., including benefits, is $58, Ford’s is $57 and FCA’s is $48, according to data from Center for Automotive Research. Meanwhile, Toyota Motor Corp.’s average hourly cost in the U.S. is $48 and Nissan Motor Co. averages $42, according to the center.

At Japanese-owned plants, temps are paid less than permanent employees. The Center for Automotive Research estimates that Nissan uses temps for as much as 43 percent of its U.S. work force and Toyota uses them for 10 to 20 percent.

At Ford, temps make up about 2 percent of the workforce and as much as 4 percent in summer months

Biggest U.S. Automakers Said to Study Lower-Pay Tier for UAW - Bloomberg Business

I noticed things like they pay attention to the most important detail to me that driving's about the experience, not getting from point A to point B like almost every American manufacturer seems to focus on.
That's the exact opposite of what many magazine reviewiers have been saying for a long time. And I have to agree with them after driving several rental Corollas in the past.

Take the Rav4: it has 10 cup holders.
What does the Escape have?

And the V6 version of it's faster than an F150 Raptor and gets 27mpg, better than my Focus.
When I was commuting with a friend, his late model CR-V was averaging around 25mpg on the same route my Focus averages 33mpg.

The WHOLE back seat has to fold down so no back seat passengers and longer gear.
Not in my Focus.
 
The Japanese manufacturers all give much better warranties than American ones. Companies like Toyota set up plants here employing Americans and paying much better than their American competitors, and support our economy with taxes and sales.
I just went on the Toyota Canada website (because I live in Canada) and their new car warranty is 60000kms/36 months for "bumper to bumper". Powertrain is 100000kms/60 months.

And guess what Ford's warranty is? 60000kms/36 months "bumper to bumper" and 100000/60 months powertrain. When you say the Japanese warranties are longer, I think you are actually thinking about the Korean warranties like Hyundai/Kia.

Someone else already dealt with the line about Japanese companies paying their employees more so I won't say anything else besides that comment wanted me to rip out my hair.

Also, with all the incentives these car companies get to build a factory, they end up paying very little in taxes. States compete with each other and it's essentially a "race to the bottom".

Also, the Rav4 is more stylish? Yikes, that new Rav4 is so BLAND and ugly. Them getting rid of the spare tire on the tailgate eliminated the only styling feature the Rav4 had.

The new Corolla also looks very bland. Weird seeing such a cheap looking car with Xenon lights.
 
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