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Morning everyone.
This.
also this.
This.
also this.
Some people swear by them. Like most things I suppose it depends on the practitioner. The holistic movement is chock full of nutjobs though and there are many "tests" that chiropractors use that are utter nonsense.
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Best way to prevent back pain..... Deadlifts. Getting ready to go do some now.
Also, no way in hell would I go to a chiropractor if I hurt something. I'd go see a real doctor.
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I was just gonna say that! My back feels great after some dead-lifts and weighted hyper-extensions.
Also started sitting on a yoga ball at work (switch on and off with chair) and makes for a fun day lol
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Interesting read...
I think Aku, Klod, and Timmeh will like it:
http://www.automobilemag.com/features/great_drives/0905_12_used_all_stars/viewall.html
How many of the top 5 do we have accounted for on here?
I think Aku, Klod, and Timmeh will like it:
http://www.automobilemag.com/features/great_drives/0905_12_used_all_stars/viewall.html
How many of the top 5 do we have accounted for on here?
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Also, this thing is pretty sweet, and only a few thousand over a loaded ST...
(only 250 coming to the U.S.)
http://blog.caranddriver.com/volvo-introduces-2013-c30-polestar-limited-edition-bringing-250-examples-to-the-u-s/
(only 250 coming to the U.S.)
http://blog.caranddriver.com/volvo-introduces-2013-c30-polestar-limited-edition-bringing-250-examples-to-the-u-s/
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A few regulars have the SVTF
Aku has the G35
I've got the 3-series.
Timmy has the Miata (#6 on the list)
as far as I know nobody has the Mini or the Mcoupe (although Aku and I both want to own both at some point)
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Most of those 'quackass' doctors do in fact hold a Doctorate Degree (MD) as well as an additional Bachelors or Masters Degree (DC) before they are allowed to operate as a licensed practitioner.
The alignment of your spine actually has a lot to do with sleep, and theres more to good sleep than just staying asleep.
A maligned spine can cause parts of your body to twitch, feel pain/discomfort or easily become numb, contribute to existing conditions such as apnea, blood pressure...all kinds of stuff can happen, and a nerve that had pressure on it or is pinched can cause pretty much any symptom. Much of it being less than serious, sure, but it can still add up and sap you of your energy more than you realize, and the effects do get worse as you age.
The first few times I got my back adjusted I slept like a log where I'd been tossing and turning for weeks; so much so in fact that I would only go in on weekends because I often sleep so much better that next night that I'd be afraid of not waking up to my alarm otherwise, lol. It can also be as relaxing as a massage for essentially the same price, since a 30-45min visit typically costs ~$50. I'm not sure if that's the going rate though, since I know my chiro personally.
Consider a frog in a blender - wait, no, wrong example. Consider the classic frog in a boiling pot of water scenario. Just because you don't feel discomfort doesn't mean it's not there; The body has an incredible talent for 'tuning out' less severe discomfort and pain, and it's something that you never quite realize until it's gone or at least significantly reduced.
YMMV of course, depending on age, the condition your back and spine are in and the practitioner you choose as well as their method of treatment, but if you get a stiff back from sitting in a chair, etc. then it's something to consider.
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My mom started taking me when I was a wee lad.
after I'd had tubes put in my ears 3 different times with no effect. I was about to need my 4th set of tubes in the ears when my mom decided to try taking me to one of these "quacks" because it couldn't be much less effective than the tubes and the chiropractor came highly recommended through some people at church.
I went to the chiropractor and never needed tubes in my ears again. now I go whenever I over stress my back in some unusual way or feel any unusual pain in my back.
I'm a believe in chiropractors but YMMV, I've been going to the same one my whole life so I can't comment on the effectiveness of others
after I'd had tubes put in my ears 3 different times with no effect. I was about to need my 4th set of tubes in the ears when my mom decided to try taking me to one of these "quacks" because it couldn't be much less effective than the tubes and the chiropractor came highly recommended through some people at church.
I went to the chiropractor and never needed tubes in my ears again. now I go whenever I over stress my back in some unusual way or feel any unusual pain in my back.
I'm a believe in chiropractors but YMMV, I've been going to the same one my whole life so I can't comment on the effectiveness of others
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Darwin where do you go? I could use a good one around here, and one that gives a discount for cash, as my insurance doesn't cover it...
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From wikipedia:
"In 2005, only one chiropractic college required a bachelors degree as an admission requirement.[15]The minimum prerequisite for enrollment in a chiropractic college set forth by the CCE is 90 semester hours, and the minimum cumulative GPA for a student entering is 3.0 on a 4.0 scale"
Most chiropractors don't have an md. I doubt there are hardly any who do. It takes 10 years just to get an md, then you'd be looking at four more years in chiropractor school. 90 semester hours is all that's required to start a chiropractor program. You don't even need a bachelor's degree.
The entire chiropractic "discipline" is founded on the belief that "subluxations" cause disease. It's a load of crap that has never held up to real scientific scrutiny.
http://www.chirobase.org/01General/placebo.html
Most "benefit" people experience is based on placebo.
If it's working for you, cool. But little of the chiropractic theories are based on real scientific evidence. To say that these guys are MDs is way wrong.
Also this:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chirostroke.html
Whatever you do don't let these guys adjust your neck.
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The one I go to is actually in Ortonville (Dr. Royann Hassinger). I met her when I managed the network and servers for the library out there - she was on the board of directors at the time. She uses 'activation' methods with what she calls a 'stapler'. It's a round-tipped spring-loaded low impact punch (that sounds like a stapler) that gently shifts the discs rather than the traditional and often more uncomfortable methods. Because of the type of treatment though, she does recommend a string of regular visits - probably why it's cheaper per visit too, heh.
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I do know of some truely great, and expensive adjusters. They also take xrays once a month to see progress, but this is to fix injuries. Not for random visits.
Of course i would go to a real doctor first.
Of course i would go to a real doctor first.
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A quote if you don't want to read that last link:
"In 1992, researchers at the Stanford Stroke Center asked 486 California members of the American Academy of Neurology how many patients they had seen during the previous two years who had suffered a stroke within 24 hours of neck manipulation by a chiropractor. The survey was sponsored by the American Heart Association. A total of 177 neurologists reported treating 56 such patients, all of whom were between the ages of 21 and 60. One patient had died, and 48 were left with permanent neurologic deficits such as slurred speech, inability to arrange words properly, and vertigo (dizziness). The usual cause of the strokes was thought to be a tear between the inner and outer walls of the vertebral arteries, which caused the arterial walls to balloon and block the flow of blood to the brain."
"In 1992, researchers at the Stanford Stroke Center asked 486 California members of the American Academy of Neurology how many patients they had seen during the previous two years who had suffered a stroke within 24 hours of neck manipulation by a chiropractor. The survey was sponsored by the American Heart Association. A total of 177 neurologists reported treating 56 such patients, all of whom were between the ages of 21 and 60. One patient had died, and 48 were left with permanent neurologic deficits such as slurred speech, inability to arrange words properly, and vertigo (dizziness). The usual cause of the strokes was thought to be a tear between the inner and outer walls of the vertebral arteries, which caused the arterial walls to balloon and block the flow of blood to the brain."
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Nah, you just damaged it's vertebral artery...
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Andssss slurrrrred our speechehhh
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