OMGeeezzz You have kids, those are almost impossible to get rid of, kinda like herpes!

I got old enough that mine don't really bother me as much now. My youngest is 17 going on 19!! And she drives! Not my car anymore, although I did train all 3 of them to drive.

Anyways what was I? talking about! /me fakes A.D.T.

What gains will you get from the intake? From what I've learned little in the HP or TQ side, but like you said more responsive throttle. I want a 65mm TB, but cant justify it at 250-150 dollars for the small amount of enhancement involved. If I go some form of Forced Induction then I would gain more, but I'll just be happy to get my baby off the RACK and on the ROAD! Im more interested in 5speed verse automatic. I used to used my electronic OD lock to down and up shift. Don't know if tha was a good thing. But having actual gears to rack through is a lot more fun, even if more tedious. It cuts down on possible texting and driving for sure! If only I had two right hands!

Someone adept at this topic will soon report more comprehensive information shortly I'm sure!

 

lemme know when she's 19.

 

She'll be 18 in another 4 months! [offtopic] but he made me do it![~]

You have a job opening for her? []

 

Possibly. Doesn't pay the greatest and no benefits other than maternity leave. But it's easy work.

 

I don't know is she would want to work for Satan though! [read] [}]

 

Iminhell you're a pretty fart smeller, and this upgrade may be too minuscule for you, but since you're on here, what's your take on those upgrades?

 

LOL!

TooochAAAAAA!! obsession

 

If you get a 2000IM cheap, go for it. $100 or under, I'd say it's worth it. More because it just looks nicer. Won't really add any power.

Cougar TB, not sure. Porting the stock is easy enough and cheap. Don't have to go hog wild with it. Just smooth things out.

Exhaust, SVT is the best ... and I say that with no conviction. I've tried about everything and it really is what we say it is.
Right now the car has the ebay header on it I bought the car with. Not bad, but just feels a little lazy.

For a stock cam automatic, don't go too big with the intake stuff. It'll slow the air and it'll feel sluggish. Low gears it'll do fine / you won't notice much. but once you get to 3rd and O/D you'll feel it drop off.


Basically, just throw the SVT intake and header on what you have now and see how it feels. You'll like it.
After that and if you want more, think about cams. Also a tune will really wake the auto up nicely.
Combined, that makes for a nice DD on a budget.

 

Soooo Ima, the 2000 IM, where do you find them for 100 bux?

I tried looking on ebay and it was a bust...... You have a secret stash?

And you could put a cougar 65mm TB on it? Oh NM you were talking porting a stock TB. When you say port it you mean just widen the actual throat of said same at the base of the TB so that it more closely conforms to the inlet diameter of the IM? Since you cant actually change the gate its self.

 

Is porting the TB just sanding it and polishing it to bore it out more? I hear "porting" and I think of cutting a hole and adding a tube to allow more suction....like a ported speaker box.

Also, I remember that the guy wrote the Cougar was a 58mm TB compared to the Focus one being 55mm. I don't know if the person was referring to a ZETEC or SVT TB for either vehicle or what.

Im assuming the SVT TB is a no go since I haven't seen any threads on it like I have for the header swap etc. Would the SVT cams be a no fit also if that time comes?

 

Yeah the SVT wont mate to the Zetec IM. I dont think the holes line up and there may be other factors that don't mesh. Pretty much everyone has told me they don't work, which is ashamed because they can be even larger than 65mms.

The best bet is a 65mm TB but I just can't see buying one right now unless I can get it for around 100.

And based on the "paper" that Ima (Satan) had me read, I forget where, the basics of porting and polishing are to increase airflow by decreasing restrictions, That can include widening, buffing, removing obstructions, actually polishing to allow better movement of air or fuel, and any other things you imagination can conceive. achieve optimum alignment of orifice in to orifice out, thus little to no resistance between the two devices. The smoother the surface, the less drag in transition from one part to another. it is a science and an art!

Im sure Satan [}] will be along shortly to admonish me to hell!! /me runs and hides. [ohcrap]

 

I'm not like that God fella, I take all comers. No questions asked.
lol

Smooth surfaces are good for dry flow; as in the intake manifold, TB, etc. And this is the smoother the better.
For wet flow you want a little rougher. It evens the flow in the entire port, runner or whathaveyou.
It has to do with Boundary Layers. On a smooth surface the fastest flow is in the center of the column of air. Moving outward from the the air moves slower. Think of it kinda like the rings in a tree. With a very smooth surface there isn't much change from the center to just before the walls. But at the wall air is very slow. The thickness of the air near the wall depends on how fast the column of air is moving, average. The faster it moves, the thicker the slow portion near the wall.
Now with walls that are a little rough, that thickness of slow air is less at all flows. The fastest is still the center but now there is more of a progressive difference in speed from there to the wall.

It's something you really need not concern yourself with. It's just kinda neat to know. If you want to read up a bit more, search out Reynolds Numbers, and form there you'll find a few more terms you won't understand.

Now on porting the TB, as noted above, you want as smooth as possible. When I did my S&G one I used a dremel to knock the fins off and rough sand it smooth. Then I used a buffing ball, drill and compound to make it all shinny. Moderate speed and don't sit in one spot or you'll melt the plastic. Not a real big deal so long as you take you time. I spent all of 30 minutes doing this one:

I never used that TB though. Was simply done to prove plastic could be polished.


Far as Porting goes. Some will go to extremes and epoxy around the neck down and grind that to less of a drastic change. That will help. But it's something you have to feel comfortable doing. Just knocking down the sharp edges will help also and you can smooth it out some W/O epoxy, just don't go overboard. Also, don't touch the throttle blade. You want that to seal against the bore and not leak. If it doesn't you'll have an even worse hanging idle and the IAC will go apeshit trying to figure out what's wrong.

SVT TB won't fit a zetec manifold.
SVT cams, in theory, won't work in a zetec head. I say theory because where there's a will there's a way. I have a slew of parts here and multiple heads. I should see what I can mix and match once to see what it would really take. But my guess is you'll have to machine the tappets down a fair amount and maybe clearance the head for the cam lobes (like you do with the big Crower cams). But then there's the problem of finding good used SVT cams. Being virtually no SVT owner does aftermarket cams, they are few and far.

If the Cougar is 58mm and the Focus is 55mm, I don't see any gains there. A [][][][] hair really makes no difference.

 

GO HERE NOW!!!
http://forums.focaljet.com/zetec-tuning/669692-whats-wrong-99-2-0-zetec-engines.html

This has pics and info on the Cougar TB I saw. I def see the difference in the stock/ported TB. Going back and taking more notes.

That thread takes a turn into heavy mods that I'm not going for. If I gained 10+ HP I think I'd be happy by adding the nic-nacs I listed at first.

 

I believe the header alone can give you around 10-15. Again I defer to Satan as to whether I am correct or not! []

Ima thanks for clarifying and to some extent confirming what I was trying to convey.

And I have a question, will lengthening the "tube" between the TB and the IM gain any benefit at all? I keep seeing these TB adapters or extenders and they have some snake oil speech about it increasing the vortex of airflow, thus increasing throttle response.

can't find the listing now but just curious about that assumption.......

 

I followed up on the spacers when the guy at Auto Parts "R" Us USA(jk) suggested trying one when I was picking up an air filter. I immediately learned its not for fuel injected cars at all. Carbureted cars would benefit if done properly from the info I got.

 

The "heavy mods" is me, FordFociSHO.

Per spacers, refer to dry and set flow again.
Dry flow, you want smooth airflow.
Wet, you want some turbulence.

 

You're the focisho guy?! I pasted and then edited out your "$1500 and got 80 HP" quote earlier.

Anyway, on my list is:
-porting the TB
-SVT intake
-SVT header-catback-exhaust

I mean that's all pretty much standard quick and easy mods that show up on here all the time. It's a DD that needs no down time.

I have seen that upgrading the grounding is suggested quite a bit too. Not for HP etc of course but heard some upside to it.

I would feel comfortable adding some epoxy and smoothing the TB out. I'm thinking of the gray stuff on the counter at parts stores that they stick all the bolts in to show it will hold stuff tightly.

 

You're the focisho guy?! ..............

I would feel comfortable adding some epoxy and smoothing the TB out. I'm thinking of the gray stuff on the counter at parts stores that they stick all the bolts in to show it will hold stuff tightly.

That could work. I broke my armrest/center console on my first f0f0. It was a drooper after that. I used that stuff to "rebuild" the torn plastic stops in the pivot points above the axial shaft. Worked damn good for that! So you should be able to fill and mold to your desired specs if you do it right.

@Ima You never did say about where to find a 2000 IM. You have a few lying around? And would an SVT throttle body work with one of those? Or will an SVT IM work with a Zetec head if modified, then an SVT TB would be perfect.

 

I've seen that the SVT IM won't work for us. Also the 2000 IM is the same as ours except its a one piece design that can be ported as well(?) compared to a cheaper made two piece that came along mid-2000.

 

That's what I though. That's why I wanna know where you can find the 2K IM for 100 bux!

But Satan is being MUM!!! Now! [neener] And he want's to know when my daughter turns 19!! He won't get far unless he starts buttering me up!

I have a SRI which I'm sure has a 3in tube, and a stock TB, seems like a waste of intake without a larger 65mm TB. I would like to have more inhale capability but I have been spending so much to get the guts beefed up and so far its not ready to roll. Mechanic hasn't been pressed to get to far because I've been collecting parts. So it's more my fault than anyone eles. We still need the Cams and springs and the oil pump. All of that should be here next week. hopefully.

 

In Texas your daughter only needs to be 17 to be legal haha.

 

You bastige!!! You fargin Icehole!!! He didn't need to know that! I was gonna get an SVT IM and TB!!! You f00ked me!! You are dead to me! 8-P

 

She's mine DAMMIT.

 

Nice read Satan I subbed so I can read it when I'm less f00ked up. my meds are kickin in. It all makes sense. You give me hope that I too can learn by doing. I just need to get a real job again so I can buy extra stuff and experiment.

I've been known to do that in the past. I had a badas amiga in a tower case, it was know as the frankeputer! Oh in Michigan, age of consent is 16!

Your post should be required reading for all newbies as a right of passage!

Sleep is creeping in. I may pass out in a bit.

 

I have a 00' intake manifold and a ZX2 intake manifold just sitting on the shelf lol.

The ZX2 manifold has bigger and longer runners than the 00' intake manifold and even has a much bigger plenum. But the problem is the tb opening is smaller than the 00's tb opening. I just haven't had the time or feel the need to mess with them just yet as

The thing with switching manifolds is the cost per hp. We're talking like maybe 5hp more over the stock one but the cost of the manifolds were up there back in the day. Probably cheaper now if you can find any that I haven't bought up lol. What I really need is a SVT intake to complete the pile of parts I have. I have enough parts to put a whole motor together I just need the intake manifold lol

As for the porting of the tb's. I ported my old stock tb and still have it, it wouldn't work on Travis's focus since it's a 00-02.5 tb. My SVT I bought on ebay for 50 bucks. It's a stock piece that has been professionally ported with a new flat throttle blade. Really nicely done and since no one was buying it and I kept seeing it relisted and cheaper I took a chance. It has epoxy on the outside to cover the two little holes that were made with they ported or bored it or whatever they did, but it is completely circular on the inside and the throttle blade was replaced with a flat piece. Feels good and works great. Was worth every penny of the 50 bucks I spent on it as I'm sure my port job would have looked nowhere near as good. lol

 

So what I'm hearing here is that an SVT IM and then an SVT TB would work on my Zee. It might be fun to experiment. So I should keep my eyes open. What age SVT IM 02 or ......

 

All the SVT stuff is the same, year doesn't matter.

 

OK I was snooping on ebay for 2002 SVT Intake manifolds. And I found some IMs that said fit SVT, so do older Zetec IMs also fit SVTs?

Like this one

That is an 00' ZX3 IM

 

All the manifolds are interchangable with a little modification, moving up or down slightly.

That is the same manifold on your car right now. Not a 2000IM.

 

This is clear now...I can use the complete SVT air intake all the way through to the IM. With very little mods. No need to screw with porting the TB or anything.

Oh and I'm needing to do the spark plug and wires too...Autolite AR103 gapped to .06? ...and stock copper wire set?

 

AR103's are for Duratecs, not Zetecs.

Haven't been any copper plug wires stock for a while that I know of.