car and driver ran a test on some of these, sponsored by the tire rack using the tire rack's test site. i think it was like last months issue, so i'd go check it out for the data instead of someone with michelin saying, "michelin is best," and someone with yokohamas saying, "yokohama is best." science rules

 

wait, i rescind my comment. i don't know that they were all seasons, they might just have been performance.....

 

Falken Azenis, best street tires ever, summer only.

 

id recommend using the ratings on the tirerack, if you are putting these on the stock 16s than the pirelli p zero nero's are about as good as it gets. they are a massive step up from the stock p6's. another thing that you need to remember is that every tire that you have listed as wanting are summer only tires and will not have any traction whatsoever in the snow (well they may have a little but you get teh idea).

 

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=PZero+Nero+M&S

Pirelli P Zero Nero M+S are the best all season tires hands down.

 

[Pirelli P Zero Nero M+S are the best all season tires hands down.

Of the brands sold by tire rack.

 

Um, yeah they sell em. You can also get them at any tire shop. Some times they have to order them but your looking at no more than a week wait.

 

^^^What Eric Meant isthat as good as tirerack is, there are many brands not offered by TireRack...

For one Hakka's (for winter).. Falkens.. etc..

another good site with reviews is 1010tires.com... they often have the couple brands TireRack misses.

Igor

 

Depending on which one you buy of course, BFG"s are, imho, the best tire in the world for the money. The KDW's are a super tire in all around performance.

 

I have Nitto Neogens, the tire is great AA on both wet and dry traction, A on tread wear (perfect for lowered cars) and A on load capacity.

Good price too from discounttiredirect.com

 

Agreed!

[headbang]

 

There are two ways to look at it, best tire for the money and best tire over all. The P Zero Nero M/S are in no way cheap but they are the best all season tire you can find.

 

Other: Hankook RS-2...under $400 for a set in 17" (215/40/17) and UBER grippy!!

 

There are two ways to look at it, best tire for the money and best tire over all. The P Zero Nero M/S are in no way cheap but they are the best all season tire you can find.

I'd give that honor to the Nokian WR. The only all-season tire with the snowflake-inside-mountain emblem showing them approved for severe winter service. And people are reporting running several seasons and well over 50,000 miles on a set.

Pretty impressive in my book.

A little more about the severe winter tire rating from the Transport Canada web-site:

Look for the peaked mountain with snowflake symbol when shopping for winter tires. Tires marked with this symbol meet specific snow traction performance requirements and have been designed specifically for use in severe snow conditions. Click here to see a list of tires that display the symbol.

Tires marked “M + S” (Mud and Snow), or “all season” tires that do not have the peaked mountain with snowflake symbol, may provide safe performance in most weather conditions, but are not designed for snow and ice-covered roads.
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Like most things, "best" depends on what you're looking for and your needs are.

 

I have had a set of Yokohama Avid H4s on my car for a little over a year now, and I love them. I haven't taken them on the track or anything like that, so I'm not sure what their absolute limit is. And the only other tires I have used were the stock contis. The yokos do very well in my book. Very good handling, excellent in the rain and snow. I haven't driven on any ice yet, but they did great in deep snow (5"+ on the road, which is deep for this area). I have put a little over 14,000 miles on them, and they only show about 3/32 worth of wear. The only beef I have with them is the noise that they make at low speed. When I'm driving in the parking lot, it sounds like my power steering is having problems, but its just the tread pattern of the tires. They got great reviews on TireRack, and my uncle had them on his Infiniti and loved them.

 

Bridgestone Pole Position S-03.

 

EricR, who's standard is it? Tire company, state, goverment or an independent organization? I've never lived in a place bad enough to worry about a sever winter. Also are the ones your talking about all season? You have to remember Pirelli's are made in Germany (I think so) home to the autobahn which goes through some regions with some real harsh weather. I would think that a tire that is stock on all Porches (<spelling?) is pretty good.

 

pirellis are made in italy, the home of disgustingly fast super cars.

 

EricR, who's standard is it? Tire company, state, goverment or an independent organization? I've never lived in a place bad enough to worry about a sever winter. Also are the ones your talking about all season? You have to remember Pirelli's are made in Germany (I think so) home to the autobahn which goes through some regions with some real harsh weather. I would think that a tire that is stock on all Porches (<spelling?) is pretty good.

Well I'm no expert on this, just a big fan of Nokian tires! But you raise an excellent question, so I did a quick bit of research on the matter.

Here's a link I found explaining the difference between the M+S and severe snow service designations, and the ASTM testing procedure required for the severe service rating: HowStuffWorks.com - Snow Tires .

In a nutshell the severe winter service standard was created by the tire industry and requires on-the-snow testing to a specific stantard as defined by the independent ASTM (American Society for Testing and Materials). It has been accepted by several government entities - I'm positive about the state of Oregon and Canada. IIRC, New York and several countries in Europe are a part of it also.

Yes, the Nokian WR is designed to be used in, and is called "all-season", but is the only such tire to have the severe service qualification.

Here in the Seattle area I don't worry about severe winter weather either, so my Focus will stick with the stock P-6's for now (knock on wood that it won't get bad enough I have to use chains). However, for skiing and our annual winter trecks to places like Idaho we take the wife's van and for that we run the Nokians!

Driving in the snow can be a blast, and it can be quite scary -- so i'm not sure if I should be happy or sad for you, living where this is not a concern.

I too would guess that any tire comes on a porsche would be quite a good tire. FYI, a quickie search of "tires" on the porsche web-site listed links to wheel and tire options they sell and in all instances (except their 4x4) they offered both summer and winter tires. I didn't notice any all-season tires, so I would venture a guess it's not something they use.

Lastly, though I couldn't find anything quickly about here in the US, in Canada the Nokian WR All-Season comes with an 100,000 kilometer tread-wear guarantee!

Regards,

EricR

 

Wow, thanks for the info. I just never heard of it before and didn't know who's standard it was. Thanks again.

 

the Saleen S7 used to come with Perrelli p zero's
now it has "High-performance Pirelli Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
Front 275/30ZR19 Rear 345/30ZR20"

Whatever that means...

 

fallacious_focus, thanks for clearing up the germany thing for me. Really though Germany-Italy, same thing (J/K)


On a side note, Bruce Almighty (Jim Carey) was on tv a couple nights ago. That amazing white Saleen that he drove in that movie, what the hell was that? Thanks.

 

It was a silver S7. I've noticed that Pzeros have been off and on lately. They have a few different lines of the Pzeros, so maybe that has something to do with it. I know they were the gold standard for years. The Pilots of course were made famous by the viper, and the Goodyear Eagle F1s have come on the Corvette for years now (and on the Lightning).

 

Depending on which one you buy of course, BFG"s are, imho, the best tire in the world for the money. The KDW's are a super tire in all around performance.

I couldn't agree more. After my purchase for the BFG g-Force T/A KDW 2's I've been sold on BFG ever since. My all wether tire I just picked up are BFG Traction T/A V. I really want to get these tires in the snow to make my final report but so far these have been very good tires.

 

BF Goodrich G-Force KDW

 

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=g-Force+T/A+KDW+2

They look good but how the hell can they be listed as All-season and tire rack not list a snow rating on it? That makes no sense at all. I know that is nothing against the tire but they need to get a snow rating up there so people know where it ranks.