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I would go turbo , There isnt a SC out there that will tuch my turbo kit in HP/TQ , performance , or warranty but 4G isnt enough

Tom

 

ok...so finaly i have saved up enough for what i wanted, im looking at spending $4000. what shall i get the vortech supercharger or shall i get it turbod with some nos, if anyone knows why i shouldnt get the supercharger please tell me....all your help will be greatly apreciated
thanks

Well Tossa 4k won't be enough for either, if you want a quility reliable kit with any kind of support. The best reason I can think of why NOT to go SC is that the Turbo offers superior numbers and will blow your doors off....period....[whip]

 

Re: Re: superchargerrr or turbo

Well Tossa 4k won't be enough for either, if you want a quility reliable kit with any kind of support. The best reason I can think of why NOT to go SC is that the Turbo offers superior numbers and will blow your doors off....period....[whip]

.....as long as you can keep your car running[rofl]


Just kidding..... Toms setup is one of the best if not THE best on the market[thumb]

 

4k would prolly only get you a Jackson SC installed and tuned. I think you would still be very happy w/ that tho.

 

$3390 for focus with svt engine free shipping. Noe tunning so it will end up costing more than $4000 but not much at all. In minnesota theres a company that does chip and tunning with unlimited dyno time for $500 look around there might be a place near you that has a similar deal. Heres a link http://focus.c-f-m.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=858

 

turbo = more gain vs. sc

However you have spool time to think about. While the turbo numbers are so very appealing, I am more a fan of the supercharger because you have the boost all the time and less modding to incorporate a sc ....less crap to go wrong and less maintenance. For instance, the Jackson SC...you have to change its oil every 75-100k...and thats about it.

But if you arent worried about all that and want just straight up #'s...talk to Tom. Turbo's are def better gain.

 

With a turbo you also have boost all the time

What modding is needed to run a Turbo that isnt needed to run a SC ?

Less crap to go wrong ?

Less maintenance ?

Tom

 

I am not a guru such as yourself, sir. so please dont jump down my throat...I am not here to knock your biz.

But to my knowledge tappin your oil, mod the exhaust, maybe addl cooling and lubing(?)(turbos get damn hot) and it may take a little more tuning. This also depends on what kit you get and wether or not you do it yourself, etc. ( lotsa variables here)

But I have watched folks blow tons of time and money getting their turbo'd cars working right vs. doing a supercharger in your garage in a few days.

Also, Spool time....it takes a second or two for the turbine to spool up before boost is produced, hence that feeling of the car lunging ahead when the turbo spools up.

A supercharger is connected directly to the crank pulley, so you are able to produce boost without the lag time. The root and screw type superchargers are able to create boost at an even lower rpm range. The supercharger does not create backpressure because it has no interference with the exhaust system. Because it is attached to the crank pulley, it is a little counter productive, though...sapping a little bit of the power that you are adding.

 

I am not a guru such as yourself, sir. so please dont jump down my throat...I am not here to knock your biz.

I didnt jump down your throat just asked why you made the comments you did

But to my knowledge tappin your oil, mod the exhaust, maybe addl cooling and lubing(?)(turbos get damn hot) and it may take a little more tuning. This also depends on what kit you get and wether or not you do it yourself, etc. ( lotsa variables here)

An oil pan comes with my kit and it takes about 10 min to change , My kit also bolts directly to the factory Exh , No cooling or lubing other than adding oil at regular changes , ANY FI needs tuning , As this goes with most GOOD turbo kits on the market

But I have watched folks blow tons of time and money getting their turbo'd cars working right vs. doing a supercharger in your garage in a few days.

i have to thats why they should of gone with mt kit , Most DIY kits end up costing more but the out come is still the same more HP/TQ and isnt that the reason for adding FI

Also, Spool time....it takes a second or two for the turbine to spool up before boost is produced, hence that feeling of the car lunging ahead when the turbo spools up.

Where do people get that todays turbos have so much lag , It just isnt the case

A supercharger is connected directly to the crank pulley, so you are able to produce boost without the lag time. The root and screw type superchargers are able to create boost at an even lower rpm range. The supercharger does not create backpressure because it has no interference with the exhaust system. Because it is attached to the crank pulley, it is a little counter productive, though...sapping a little bit of the power that you are adding.

Sure the SC creates back PSI it is still forcing air in that has to get out , Can the SC create hp at a lower boost yes , BUT how many people that you know that add FI need HP/TQ below 3000 RPM unless your doing some of that 60 foot racing PW was talking about

Turbos have a bad rap because people dont understand them and how thay work with a properly built kit , I dont have 1 customer that has wanted to take off one of my turbo kits because of any of the issues talked about or for any reason for that matter but i have changed out every SC kit (except PW NOT BEEN OUT LONG) to a turbo because of the lack of HP/TQ

Turbos rule !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

..:: sleestak ::.. Im not trying to bust your chops just trying to get rid of the bad misconceptions of the turbo

Tom

 

^^^ werd, and my comments were meant more as a blanket statement. I dont knock turbo's, as I said...they do produce the best #'s. Both have pros and cons, just a matter of prefference and what you want to spend. The latter being the major decision making point. You dont get something for nothing.

 

The JRSC w/ FR BBK will run a little over 3000 that comes with tuning. You will make about 210 to 200 whp and 170 to 180 wtq or spend the xtra if you want more and get Toms kit.

 

Well as far as the "lag" issue goes.... even with my bastardized setup in 4th geat at 2000rpm you can hit the gas and it instantly makes 3-5psi... at 2000rpms!!!!!

Thats about half of the boost of your average SC at redline, by 4500-5000 rpms I'm between 15-19psi.... which is almost DOUBLE the average SC at redline...... thats where the upgradability comes in. With a good tune you can ALWAYS turn down the boost, and in some cases you can turn up the boost a couple of PSI[thumb]

 

The neverending fight over which is better Turbo or SC........... Just do both and call it a day LOL

 

^^^ [headbang] lol [headbang] ^^^