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Hey, Fokuzsport

I'm thinking you have a MTX tranny, and yet you find a chip helpful. I've heard some say that if you have an MTX , don't bother with the chip.
Will the superchip increase torque?
Will is smooth out the torque curve? ( it is realtively good but dips a bit from 3K-3.5K, or so dynotests show on other Zetecs)
Will it reset the rev limiter?
Wil it increase HP?

I know, these topics have been talked to death but I'm never sure when people talk about a product, if they actually use it. From your web page, it appears you acutally use the superchip.
BTW, way nice Fokuz.

 

which chip is best for a zx3?

 

Auto logic is probably them best since it allows for a tuner to custom tailor it to your specs.

Jet or Diablo, Neither, save your money for real mods.

 

Hey, Fokuzsport

I'm thinking you have a MTX tranny, and yet you find a chip helpful. I've heard some say that if you have an MTX , don't bother with the chip.
Will the superchip increase torque?
Will is smooth out the torque curve? ( it is realtively good but dips a bit from 3K-3.5K, or so dynotests show on other Zetecs)
Will it reset the rev limiter?
Wil it increase HP?

I know, these topics have been talked to death but I'm never sure when people talk about a product, if they actually use it. From your web page, it appears you acutally use the superchip.
BTW, way nice Fokuz.

eh? are you talking about my cardomain page?

 

yeah i have the diablo chip....i dont think it did anything for me.....they r pretty worthless if u ask me......ne1 want to buy mine?...lol

 

eh? are you talking about my cardomain page?

Sure.

Jet or Diablo, Neither, save your money for real mods

This is the kinda thing I hear. Its confusing. [???] So they don't really increase HP or Torque, then eh?

Anybody got a link to a independent dynamometer check on these chips?

 

I can't remember the exact numbers but the new Ford Focus handbook dyno'd the diablosport chip.
It's gained +12lbs of torque at 2500 RPM's and +1-2hp at 6KRPM's.
You could possibly get more because they used 87 octane gas and just added some octane booster, which usually only increases the octane by 10 points or 1 octane.

I have the diablosport delta and have turned it off and it does make a difference.

1. Gets rid of tip in off the line. When you don't have the chip, when you press the gas pedal, there is a short delay before your car actually gets gas. For those who don't have the chip, try it. You car does not accelerate immediately off the line.

2. When the chip is off, off the line accelleration seems to be lacking compared to when the chip is on. Must be that +12lbs of torque that kicks in at 2.5K RPM's.

So, for +$200 bucks, it doesn't seem like much but look how much people are paying for intakes like the volant that make +2-3WHP.

Also, you get rid of that 108mph speed limiter. Kind of annoying that your car is doing 108mph at about 4KRPM when your redline is about 6K.

I would go get my car dyno'd but I rather spend $100 bucks on something useful.
I'd rather wait til I get some better mods before getting a dyno.

 

micro...forget that book, from what i have seen its pretty useless...i have never seen a car in person dyno with a chip and without...gaining power...mostly its a 1hp peak loss and just about the same for torque, though midrange picked up a little...unless you have a race header, forced induction, lopey cams, and a few other little things, a chip is useless.

 

Well, that book is the only documentation of a dyno test with the diablosport chip on and off.

Unless someone has some other dyno numbers prooving gain or loss on a dyno, I can only provide the book as some fact by a reputable guy in the car industry.

 

Well, that book is the only documentation of a dyno test with the diablosport chip on and off.

Unless someone has some other dyno numbers prooving gain or loss on a dyno, I can only provide the book as some fact by a reputable guy in the car industry.

i just said it...hell focaltech himself has done it.

 

If you don't mind me asking, what were your testing methods ?

 

using a dyno...what other methods would you use...you don't change anything cept for a cool down and reset the ecu. run with it...remove it, reset ecu, get back on dyno, run again

 

OK. But over and over again on this forum and others, people say that after an ECU reset, you should go run you car for a while(approx. 10-15 minutes) so your ECU/computer can learn any mods.

So, if you just turn the car off, install the chip, reset the ECU and run the dyno, perhaps your car/ECU hasn't registered the full potential of the chip/mod. I dunno. Just making an observation.

I'm not saying the book is right or your wrong. Just saying that different methods and approaches to dyno testing can give you different results. Just like performing a dyno on a cool 10 degree day and a 101 degree day. Maybe their environment and methods were different and that's why they got the results that they did.

 

Well i have heard chips work and dont work...The diablo sport looks pretty promissing...Focussport.com has it and tells you a little about it. I dont think they would sell it if it didnt do anything. But I have no expierence with it so do what you want.[confused]

 

I called Superchip today and asked if their chip would really make a 10% HP and 13% Torque improvement on a Zetec engine. He said, "yup". He claims 13 whp and 16torque increase over stock. Sure sounds tempting.
BTW I apreciate you guys discussing this on the forum. I'm thinking about doing other performance mods first, esp. a CAI, then maybe the chip.


[offtopic] I'm please with Sun auto electrics Hyper Ground System. They claim 3whp increase but the other advantages are more significant. 12-14% mpg increase, idle is much smoother as is engine during accelaration. Also, makes all electrical powered systems work better incl a better sounding CD player.
I goes for about $140 plus install.

 

Id say Diablo sport looks pretty promissing. I have a few friends that chipped their car and had good feedback from it. Ive never heard of bad feedback till i read it just now. Focussport.com sells the diablo sport chip and I dont think they would sell it if it didnt do anything...They are a credible site from prospective. I havent any expierence with a chip my self so its your choice.

 

Chips in standard form aren't helpful unless you have an auto trans and want firmer shifts.

I have done back to back testing of superchips and Diablo chips.

On my own car I tuned my setup on the dyno cam gear adjustments and all. Took the car off the dyno reset the ECU and drove for 15 miles. Redyno'd the car and found a 1 hp loss.
The only reason I keep the chip in my car is b/c I have cam gears set and a motor mount and the raised idle keeps the vibration down.

Turbo tom also did various tests of the chips comparitively and found almost no difference in them and nearly no gain.

 

Like I said. Maybe their testing methods and environment was different and gave them those results. Richard Holdener is a reputible car enthusist and his documented dyno testing of the Diablosport chip on the fOCUS is hard to dispute when there are no other public documented dyno tests of the Diablosport chip.

 

Richard holdener works for MM&FF, I know him. I know many of the staff at MM&FF.

Companies sponsor and pay for advertising in magazines, so I seldom believe when they do testing on products like chips.

Basic chips produce very little power increase.

Turbo tom did a comparison of all the chips on the same car. Dyno'd and raced at the track.

 

Companies sponsor and pay for advertising in magazines, so I seldom believe when they do testing on products like chips.

Well then, I guess we all should stop reading car magazines that provide any information on performance because from what your saying, they will lie to the public to benefit their advertising sponsor. I guess Ford must of paid Car and Driver a bundle to get in the 10 best cars of the year list for 4 years straight.

And ah, if you know Richard, why don't you give him a call and ask how he got those results ?

I mean, if I knew an author of an article or book and I didn't agree with the results, I would definitely call them on their BS and have them explain their methods and approach to testing.
I call engineers on BS at my work all the time. Not with email either. Face to face or at least on the phone. With email, you can make corrections and be a word smith so you have to read between the lines to get the whole picture. When your live face to face or on the phone, it's hard for them to BS you.

 

Well Id say id have to agree with micro...Im still rookie with this stuff but a lot of my friends have chipped their car and have got awsome resaults. They arent focus's but a car is a car and chip is a chip from my stand point. I dont know much about chippin the focus yet but other cars it seems to work.

 

One thing I should clear up is that you don't get additional +12lbs of torque at 2.5K RPM's.
You get +12lbs of torque earlier in the RPM's that you would normally get at +4K RPM's.
So, no gain on torque, you just get it sooner in the lower RPM's, which is good for a good take off from the line.

 

I probably shouldn't get involved in this, but since I asked one of the questions in this thtead, here goes.

Well then, I guess we all should stop reading car magazines that provide any information on performance because from what you're saying, they will lie to the public to benefit their advertising sponsor.

But Microtonal, you know that this does happen. That is why magazines like consumer reports are popular and many companies don't quote their own test results but those of an independent labin an ad; to avoid the suspicion of tainted results.
I don't think all the info on performance is a sham, but one must check out other sources to see if the results can be duplicated.

I guess Ford must of paid Car and Driver a bundle to get in the 10 best cars of the year list for 4 years straight.

once again, this stuff does happen. I remember when Tylenol would advertise that their pain reliever was the most used by hospitals. Then I read that Tylenol supplied their product to the hospitals at rock bottom prices. For Tylenol it was probably worth to lose money by almost giving their product to the hospitals, if in return they could advertise it was most used.
I'm not saying the chips do not do what they say they do, only that I'd like independent comfirmation.
That is why I ask what kind of results fellow Foci owners are getting. But even there, you have to factor in that people don't want to think they made a wrong decision about a product and many, psychologically believe the product is working when in fact it is not.
In fact have you ever noticed how your car seems to run better after you wash it? Pretty scary. We can all be influenced by advertising and a desire to believe something.

BTW, I received and email back from Superchip in which I asked for verifiable test results for their chip. ( I had phoned them earlier)
This was the entirety or their response:

11hp and 16 ftlbs. of torque to the wheels

Perhaps, but I'd still like to have that confirmed by independent test results and unsolicited customer response.

 

I believe they usualy state, "up to 11hp and 16 ftlbs. of torque to the wheels."
This means that you can get up to a certain HP or torque but necessarily those numbers. So if you dyno'd less, they stated up to not will give you.
From the feedback I have seen on this forum and other Focus forum sites, about 7 out of 10 people have had positive results with the Diablosport. Most of the negative responses come from people who have never had one and only regurgitate a quote from someone who told them it was no good. Beside focaltech and a couple of others, no one has dyno'd a car with the chip on and off.

As far as the magazines and books, ya, you have to read between the lines just like movie reviews.
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