[ELCouz]

See if I'm leaving something off....

We have motor mounts....

Intakes....

Exhaust....

Tune...

Header....


and that's all that's really out there for our cars???

NO!

Feel free to grab a beer with friends and try to upgrade the engine

The turbo engine is bolt-on but nobody want to be the guinea pig :-(

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/...ormance-2012-current/524353-final-solution-turbo-kit-available-ford-racing.html

 

[ELCouz]

Will the 5 speed hook right up to the ST engine and are the front axles compatible?

Yes MTX75 is compatible after all its the same duratec engine

 

[ELCouz]

The ST engine is bolt on? What about the non-st chassis wire harness and engine harness, ECM, etc...if those items are different, could be very difficult or even impossible to do the swap (unless you strip the entire interior and re-wire)....I know people that can bid on cars and get them cheap, if I could find a donor focus with a dead engine, I might be willing to experiment and try it.

Bolt on but you need an harness or the one you can purchase from ford racing will make the ST engine run in your mk3 std.

 

[ELCouz]

Just for shits and giggles I located an St engine for cheap, might be motivated to think about this, would be a hell of an upgrade if the tuning/electronics could be worked out.

Go !

You'll need the standalone ford racing harness or a complete swap of the ST harness (will it be compatible with other mk3 IPC , BCM and ABS / Airbags ,,, who knows??) !

 

[ELCouz]

Hate to rain on the parade but from working at a dealer I'd worry about your Instrument cluster programming as well as the keys working correctly

Keys/Dash (IPC) are just a little step "a little inconvenience"...

You better get the PCM working first without it your only hope is:

To get the car to move...


And forget the TCM... no DCT is possible (wouldn't even handle the torque of the ST engine per datasheet... that's why there's no DCT option in the ST)

 

[ELCouz]

There are plenty of wet DCT's available that could handle the torque output, so that's not why there's no DCT option-I don't think there has ever been an automatic option in any of the ST/SVT Focuses.

There is no wet DCT developed for Ford from GETRAG...

And ST is a niche car (not so many sold vs std focus), would be too costly to develop a DCT only for this car hence no DCT option !

Yes... luxury automatic / semi-auto sports car are selling.... but the ST is another thing (economic bang for buck sporty compact car)

 

[ELCouz]

Doesn't the VW GTi have a wet DCT option?

Yes the DSG... but Ford nope...

 

[ELCouz]

My point is that you're trying to eliminate all possibilities without thought, knowledge, or reason. The ST isn't manual specifically because it's a niche car-it's a manual because that's what Ford decided. It has nothing to do with 'bang for buck' because all they would do is tack on the additional cost for the option-just like every other automatic vehicle everywhere.
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I've done my part in the past... saying the dry DCT can't handle it is true...

http://www.getrag.com/media/products/powershift/6dct250/Press_information_6DCT250.pdf

Sorry guys to burst your bubble but to say the DCT will handle to turbo torque is just a silly dream...

You are pushing almost 2x the technical specs designed for...


For the why no DCT option its based on this fact... sure they are other reasons why but mainly they would have to R&D another transmission for what.....~8000 ST per year??

R&D cost need to be offset by a lot of sales... even if you pass the option cost to the consumer it must be reasonable!

This is a theory...

 

[ELCouz]

Ugh.

I don't know how I can make this any clearer-you can't make assumptions just based on technical data that you're reading. Plenty of parts withstand 2x+ their original design, but you're not going to know that without testing. Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't, but until it's tested we can only speculate. I don't know, you don't know, no one on this forum knows. Why? Because it hasn't been tested.

Ask any 2JZ owner that's pushing 800hp on his stock bottom end about testing.

And again, you don't know much about the ST or even sales if that's your argument against an automatic. It's literally a fact that automatics far-outsell (by a massive margin) their MTX counterparts in the U.S.-Ford would literally only increase sales by making that option available to the masses. It wouldn't take much, if any, R&D to make out work as there are plenty of 2l EB motors attached to automatic transmissions.

The *fact* is-they didn't want it available in automatic.

Just want to clarify that many people want a turboed focus with the DCT as a DD...

I'm talking reliability... there's already plenty of issues with the DCT right now.

Unless you plan to do track days or can live to lose the tranny any day / rebuild often you are walking on eggs...

That's where I trust those technical data about how much it is rated for...

If the DCT could handle 500 nm of torque reliably they would market it as DCT500 not 250...

There's is no advantage to underspecs that much a transmission...


That's IMO...

 

[ELCouz]

So first it was the fact that no DCT existed. Then it was because no dry DCT existed directly from Ford specifically from Getrag that was specifically-spec'd for the ST. Then it was because it would be too costly to develop. Then it was because the ST is a niche compact market. Then it was because Ford can't recoup costs.

Now we're at reliability. You've run through nearly every possible reason just to arrive at exactly what I've been saying-it's entirely possible but reliability is uncertain. Definitely not improbable or impossible. The reliability issues of the DCT have absolutely nothing to do with having too much power because, like I said, no one has pushed that envelope.

You can make claims all you want, but it's not tested nor is it proven. And there are indeed very good reasons to under-rate parts and components.

I'm not saying that you're not coming to an educated decision using legitimate information for what you should/shouldn't do with your own car, what I'm saying is that you're trying to act like it's impossible when it's not-it's simply untested. There's a huge difference.

Even if it was tested no good or good... somebody would argue... that's a forum all about... opinions

That's why I honestly stated the IMO parts....