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The ST engine is bolt on? What about the non-st chassis wire harness and engine harness, ECM, etc...if those items are different, could be very difficult or even impossible to do the swap (unless you strip the entire interior and re-wire)....I know people that can bid on cars and get them cheap, if I could find a donor focus with a dead engine, I might be willing to experiment and try it.
Bolt on but you need an harness or the one you can purchase from ford racing will make the ST engine run in your mk3 std.
 
Bolt on but you need an harness or the one you can purchase from ford racing will make the ST engine run in your mk3 std.
If it's just the engine harness, that's not a big deal, but could you run that engine on a DCT
 
Doubt it.

That harness mentioned is to run the ST engine as a stand alone unit, that can be bolted into any car.

DCT TCM needs to communicate with an ECU (and other items) to know what to do.
 
Doubt it.

That harness mentioned is to run the ST engine as a stand alone unit, that can be bolted into any car.

DCT TCM needs to communicate with an ECU (and other items) to know what to do.
Just for shits and giggles I located an St engine for cheap, might be motivated to think about this, would be a hell of an upgrade if the tuning/electronics could be worked out.
 
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Just for shits and giggles I located an St engine for cheap, might be motivated to think about this, would be a hell of an upgrade if the tuning/electronics could be worked out.
Go :) !

You'll need the standalone ford racing harness or a complete swap of the ST harness (will it be compatible with other mk3 IPC , BCM and ABS / Airbags ,,, who knows??) !
 
Hate to rain on the parade but from working at a dealer I'd worry about your Instrument cluster programming as well as the keys working correctly
 
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Hate to rain on the parade but from working at a dealer I'd worry about your Instrument cluster programming as well as the keys working correctly
Keys/Dash (IPC) are just a little step "a little inconvenience"...

You better get the PCM working first without it your only hope is:

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To get the car to move...


And forget the TCM... no DCT is possible (wouldn't even handle the torque of the ST engine per datasheet... that's why there's no DCT option in the ST)
 
Keys/Dash (IPC) are just a little step "a little inconvenience"...

You better get the PCM working first without it your only hope is:

To get the car to move...


And forget the TCM... no DCT is possible (wouldn't even handle the torque of the ST engine per datasheet... that's why there's no DCT option in the ST)
There are plenty of wet DCT's available that could handle the torque output, so that's not why there's no DCT option-I don't think there has ever been an automatic option in any of the ST/SVT Focuses.
 
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There are plenty of wet DCT's available that could handle the torque output, so that's not why there's no DCT option-I don't think there has ever been an automatic option in any of the ST/SVT Focuses.
There is no wet DCT developed for Ford from GETRAG...

And ST is a niche car (not so many sold vs std focus), would be too costly to develop a DCT only for this car hence no DCT option ;) !

Yes... luxury automatic / semi-auto sports car are selling.... but the ST is another thing (economic bang for buck sporty compact car)
 
Screw listed torque numbers supplied by the manufacturers, cars with various transmissions have been pushing past those limits for years. Until anyone tries to push a dct to its limit we'll never know the actual real world limit of it. I'm pretty sure the clutch is the biggest limiting factor there, maybe the actuators too. It would be nice to see upgrades for those as time goes on since dct technology keeps getting more widespread.
 
There is no wet DCT developed for Ford from GETRAG...

And ST is a niche car (not so many sold vs std focus), would be too costly to develop a DCT only for this car hence no DCT option ;) !

Yes... luxury automatic / semi-auto sports car are selling.... but the ST is another thing (economic bang for buck sporty compact car)
Doesn't the VW GTi have a wet DCT option?
 
Just for shits and giggles I located an St engine for cheap, might be motivated to think about this, would be a hell of an upgrade if the tuning/electronics could be worked out.
But I would do this in a project focus car, not my DD. I have contacts that bid on wrecked cars and pick them up cheap so they are watching out.
 
Until anyone tries to push a dct to its limit we'll never know the actual real world limit of it.
My guess is the clutches would slip, but who knows... the st engine is a steal of a price, if I can pick up a fixable manual focus for cheap, this project might be possible.
 
There is no wet DCT developed for Ford from GETRAG...

And ST is a niche car (not so many sold vs std focus), would be too costly to develop a DCT only for this car hence no DCT option ;) !

Yes... luxury automatic / semi-auto sports car are selling.... but the ST is another thing (economic bang for buck sporty compact car)
My point is that you're trying to eliminate all possibilities without thought, knowledge, or reason. The ST isn't manual specifically because it's a niche car-it's a manual because that's what Ford decided. It has nothing to do with 'bang for buck' because all they would do is tack on the additional cost for the option-just like every other automatic vehicle everywhere.

There are transmissions that could be used if the electronic side was figured out.


Screw listed torque numbers supplied by the manufacturers, cars with various transmissions have been pushing past those limits for years. Until anyone tries to push a dct to its limit we'll never know the actual real world limit of it. I'm pretty sure the clutch is the biggest limiting factor there, maybe the actuators too. It would be nice to see upgrades for those as time goes on since dct technology keeps getting more widespread.
Exactly this. Parts are almost always underrated, but no one ever knows by how much until the limits get pushed. In order for companies to justify making aftermarket parts there either has to be a forecasted need or a demand, and unfortunately there just isn't either one in the Mk3 community. This platform has been available for sale since late 2011 and I have yet to see one single vehicle find out what the true limitations are for the DCT in regards to power.

I enjoy having a manual for daily driving, but after getting my DCT tuned I can honestly say that I would rather have had that for performance driving. Whether it would hold up or not is completely irrelevant at this point, because it hasn't been done/tested.
 
There is no wet DCT developed for Ford from GETRAG...
Ford has European models that use a wet DCT, I would assume they're Getrag units but I haven't confirmed that.

Only the 2.0 duratec TiVCT engined versions use the dry DCT AFAIK for an automatic trans. option worldwide, and in Europe that isn't a common size.
 
My point is that you're trying to eliminate all possibilities without thought, knowledge, or reason. The ST isn't manual specifically because it's a niche car-it's a manual because that's what Ford decided. It has nothing to do with 'bang for buck' because all they would do is tack on the additional cost for the option-just like every other automatic vehicle everywhere.
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I've done my part in the past... saying the dry DCT can't handle it is true...

http://www.getrag.com/media/products/powershift/6dct250/Press_information_6DCT250.pdf

Sorry guys to burst your bubble but to say the DCT will handle to turbo torque is just a silly dream...

You are pushing almost 2x the technical specs designed for...


For the why no DCT option its based on this fact... sure they are other reasons why but mainly they would have to R&D another transmission for what.....~8000 ST per year??

R&D cost need to be offset by a lot of sales... even if you pass the option cost to the consumer it must be reasonable!

This is a theory...
 
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