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i want to install these in the front doors...but have no idea what wire goes where, or what order everthing is hooked up...any clues?

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back on the speakers (connections)
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back of crossovers
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and the tweeters...
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do i splice the stock wire into the IN of the x-over, then OUT to the woofer posts, then tweeters into the other woofer post and hole thing ??

thats my best guess

help I NEED TUNES
 
My best guess .... :)

Those crossovers can either be a 2nd order HIGHPASS or a 2nd order LOWPASS filter, depending on where the inductor is in relationship to the capacitor. i cannot tell you w/o you giving me an UPCLOSE shot of the crossover board. Looking at it a little more closely, the input wires (black/white) are from the side closer to the inductor. if the inductor is wired in series on the positive lead, with a capacitor in parallel with the output, the crossover is a 2nd order LOWPASS (which is what i'm thinking)

On the speaker, there are three terminals. two bigger ones and a little one. the two bigger ones have a capacitor across them. that capacitor acts as a first order highpass filter.

So this is what i'd do in your situation....

The output of your source (cd player, whatever)... through the wire in your doors... this is where we'll begin....

the speaker wire in the doors... connect the negative wire in the door to the negative input on the crossover. the positive wire needs to split. one side of the split will go to the positive input side of the crossover. the other split will goto the far RIGHT terminal on the speaker (the right leg of the capacitor). coming out of that crossover, the positive output gets connected to the MIDDLE terminal of the speaker (the other side of the capacitor). Also, the middle terminal will get connected to the positive side of the tweeter. both the negative OUTPUT of the crossover and the tweeters (-) will need to be connected to the little terminal on the speaker (far left)


This will give a 12db/octave LP for the woofer, and a 6db/octave HP for that tweeter.

let me know what you find.

-john
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I have tried 3 focus websites and this is the first one where i get a GOOD answer...THANKS YOU JOHN

im gonna give it a try this weekend and see how it goes...thanks

Phil
 
***UPDATE*** i didn't notice at work, but those crossovers are different!!!! not good. Before i can truly say anything more, i need to see VERY UP CLOSE shots of those two crossover pieces. visually, they look different. electrically, they could be the opposite, so without seeing them up close (both front and back), i don't know how much more help i can be.

let me know as soon as you can with more pics....

-john
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the crossover on the right... are those two white things on the top and bottom solid? or are they just a sticker? i see theres a white circle on top of the coil in the center... but i cannot tell if the two white rectangular things are solid. my concern is that they aren't the same crossover (electrically)

-john
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for all purposes, lets just say that (despite their different model numbers), the crossovers are the same. without knowing the inductance and capacitance values of the given inductors and capacitors, there really isn't any way for me to determine if the two are the same or not (by looking at them).

having two separate passive crossovers and three terminals on the speaker won't work. with only having three terminals and the two separate passives, theres no way that you will be able to properly split the signal once its through the first crossover.

Since all the parts you're using aren't all from the same component set, its going to make things a little more difficult. I'll clarify in a bit... Currently, how the speaker (fourth pic down) is set up, is that there is no crossover for the woofer, and a highpass 1st order crossover for the 3rd terminal (to be connected to a tweeter). What you want to do, is effective cross over the lower frequencies to the woofer, and higher frequencies to the tweeter. well, without doing some minor modications, its not possible with the 3 terminal setup (contrary to what i said above).

Lets start with the tweeter. For a capacitor to be an effective first order crossover, the capacitor must be connected in series with the positive lead going to the speaker. (looking at the 4th pic down) You will need to unsolider one of the leads of the capacitor, and connect it to the positive lead of the tweeter. My suggestion would be to unsolider it from the middle terminal. This will isolate the two speakers from eachother in the wiring which is a good thing. The negative wire of the tweeter will be connected to the negative speaker wire in the door. a simple schematic is listed below. the - |(- is the schematic symbol for a capacitor.

door wire + ----|(------- + tweeter
door wire - ------------- - tweeter

Now, for the woofer. Obviously you want to use that crossover, because it'll direct lower frequencies to the speaker that has the ability to reproduce them. So, as stated above, you're also going to connect the input side of the crossovers to the speaker wire in the focus' door. the output of the crossover will get connected to the middle terminal (4th pic down) for the positive, and the little left one as the negative terminal. included is another cheap diagram.

door wire + ------XOVER----- + woofer
door wire - ------XOVER----- - woofer

hopefully this helps... and solves not only the questions you have, but also gets you good tunes!

-john
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