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I recently purchased a 2012 Ford Focus Hatch Titanium - fully loaded. We had our first snow fall yesterday and I realized my tires 235/40/R18 Primacy MXM4 Michelin (Low Pros) are not cut for the snow - after I couldn't make it up a small incline and got stuck outside of my condo garage trying to drive back in - had to get some help to push the car back into the garage.

I am looking to get a new set of winter tires, but the prices come back very high for 18inch rims...can I downgrade to 17 or 16inch without causing any harm to the vehicle?

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You can definately go down to 16". There isn't a difference in brakes between titanium and lower trims other than drum brakes on the very base model.

Your steering wil remain the same. Vehicles that come with smaller rims had more steering from lock to lock
 
I have a 2013 Focus Titanium and for my winter tires I downsized from the 17" wheels that came with the car to 15" wheels after confirming with the dealership that the 15" wheels would fit. It is a very tight fit, but they fit with no rubbing at all.

But, even with 15" wheels and Michelin X-ice Xi3s I wouldn't say the focus is a good snow car. We just got our first big snow this weekend and I was still slipping and sliding. Probably not as bad as if I had the OEM all seasons on but still not great.
 
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You can definately go down to 16". There isn't a difference in brakes between titanium and lower trims other than drum brakes on the very base model.

Your steering wil remain the same. Vehicles that come with smaller rims had more steering from lock to lock
I have a 2013 Focus Titanium and for my winter tires I downsized from the 17" wheels that came with the car to 15" wheels after confirming with the dealership that the 15" wheels would fit. It is a very tight fit, but they fit with no rubbing at all.

But, even with 15" wheels and Michelin X-ice Xi3s I wouldn't say the focus is a good snow car. We just got our first big snow this weekend and I was still slipping and sliding. Probably not as bad as if I had the OEM all seasons on but still not great.
Its hard to find 235/45R 15-16 Inch tires - would I be looking to reduce with width and ratio of the tire in this scenario? Sorry might seem a very basic question - I have no experience working with tires what so ever.
 
I have a 2013 Focus Titanium and for my winter tires I downsized from the 17" wheels that came with the car to 15" wheels after confirming with the dealership that the 15" wheels would fit. It is a very tight fit, but they fit with no rubbing at all.

But, even with 15" wheels and Michelin X-ice Xi3s I wouldn't say the focus is a good snow car. We just got our first big snow this weekend and I was still slipping and sliding. Probably not as bad as if I had the OEM all seasons on but still not great.
Then you're doing something wrong. I've been out in this snow all yesterday and today and have zero issues. It drives just fine.

Its hard to find 235/45R 15-16 Inch tires - would I be looking to reduce with width and ratio of the tire in this scenario? Sorry might seem a very basic question - I have no experience working with tires what so ever.
You want to keep the overall diameter of the tire the same as your current tires. You can go narrower, don't go wider. In fact, you'll likely have to go narrower anyways, depending on how wide the wheels are that you get.

For instance, my 17" tires are 215/50/17. My 15" snow tires are 195/65/15. So they are narrower, and the sidewall is much taller so they are almost the same height as my summer tires.

That's what you need to do.

For example, a good tire size for your vehicle with 16" wheels would be 195/60/16. You can deviate from that slightly, but if you're ordering new tires there is no reason to do otherwise (your speedo will be off if you do). If you get 17" wheels most your snow tire options will be "high performance" snow tires, which offer a bit less grip in deep snow and ice, but perform better on dry pavement.
 
Yes the tire size changes. The key thing is that you need to match the diameter of the original tires. I think the diameter of our OEM Focus tires are 25.5". As the wheel size goes down the sidewall height of the tire goes up so that the diameter is the same. For the 2012 - 2014 focus the wheel/tire combos that keep the diameter the same are 215/50-17 for the 17" wheels, 215/55-16 for the 16" wheels and 195/65 - 15 for the 15" wheels. All three of these have about the same diameter although the 195/65 - 15 diameter is only 25" while the others are 25.5". The snow performance will be better as the rims get narrower (the 1st of the three numbers) and the side walls get taller (2nd of the three numbers). Performance on dry roads will suffer some as you go to the smaller wheels with more rubber. Personally, I don't care about dry performance during the winter. I just want to know that I will get where I'm going as safely as possible even if its snowy and icy out.

I recommend you go to tirerack.com If you enter your 2014 Focus it will give you all the wheel/tire combo possibilities.
 
I've driven my STI with the stock 245/45/18 Michelin Pilot Sports and coupled with AWD they still do ok in the white stuff but once I installed my winter Hankooks and dropping to a 215/50 size on 17"s the difference was pretty big concerning grip and braking.

Plus this tire and rim combo didn't kill the bank.
 
The standard size tire on the current generation Focus is 215/55-16, the next optional size is 215/50-17, then there is the 235/40-18s. All of these tires have the same outside diameter. Either of the 215 size tires would be appropriate for winter tires.
I have 225/50-17 Firestone Winter Force tires on my ST. My wife has 215/55-16s Kumhos on her SEL. Both of these tires work great in the snow. I would go so far to say that the FWD Focus with winter tires is better than AWD with all season tires on ice and snow. We had only one storm that dumped more than 12" last winter and that was the only time I felt the need to use my 4x4 pickup forbthe ground clearance. The rest of the sniw storms we just drovebour Foci.
 
I would go so far to say that the FWD Focus with winter tires is better than AWD with all season tires on ice and snow.
Maybe marginally but in my experiences I'd take AWD with all seasons vs fwd with winter anyday and this is speaking from driving both those combos on and off for the last 20 years. AWD gives you the control at 4 corners vs FWD where you are really just pulling the car around. But this could be in part to my driving since I think I'm a pretty good driver in the snow and AWD makes me better but for your average driver FWD with snows is probably a bit better and no matter how good you are the snow tire equipped car will stop better.
 
I guess it would depend specifically on the type of driving you're doing. 4WD/AWD works great for accelerating, but I don't notice a huge difference in turning compared to FWD with snows, and braking is considerably better with the snows.
 
Yep,grip is really the big issue no matter what wheels are powered and that's really what makes a diff between no accident or ruffling your car a bit.
If I lived where the roads were snow covered at least half the time I buy snows for the Focus but Denver rarely has snow stick around when it does actually snow so all seasons are ok with me since driving around on pavement with snows just wears them down faster.
The snows I have on my STI are the first such set I've ever bought in my life and have survived just fine with all season on most of my cars or I've owned 4wd cars/trucks.
 
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