I'm considering a new car and the suspect list is the Focus SE, Civic LX and Corolla S. The Focus has far better incentives than the other two and similar overall specs and equipment. Money talks so I'm leaning toward the Focus. My plan is to drive whatever I get for 13 years until my grandson gets his license and then give it to him.
new guy debating Focus/Civic/Corolla
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Jesus. Four new cars in < 2 years? That's well over $60k. Are you a drug lord?
But seriously, I hope there isn't an inherent design flaw in the DCT, otherwise you're screwed! [
] For what it's worth, my noises started at ~22k miles.[dunno]If he purchased all 3 up front... We need to get on board with what he's doing [Jesus. Four new cars in < 2 years? That's well over $60k. Are you a drug lord?
But seriously, I hope there isn't an inherent design flaw in the DCT, otherwise you're screwed! [
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The 12 SE was 22K, the 12 Ti was 27K, the 13 SE was 23K and the 13 escape Ti was 35K so ~107K in vehicles
I work at a steel mill as an electrician. Actually the 12 SE belongs to my 23 yo daughter, but I did give her 10K to put down so her payment is nice and low. Also the 13 SE I got for my 15 yo is a lease.
BTW I traded a 11 fusion SEL loaded for the escape and it was 29K when I bought it. So if you count that, I've had 136K in vehicles is the last 2.5 years.
They let 15-year-olds drive in Ohio?
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15.5 yes.
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You can get your temps at 15 yrs 6 mos, but you can't get your full license until 16
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Manual ftw!
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I believe your numbers are based on the 2012 Focus. I'm going through the NHTSA complaints for the 2013 Focus, and there seems to be ~10 genuine issues about the DCT (grinding transmission, oil contamination, shifting issues, etc.) - the rest of powertrain complaints are about the Focus Electric, rolling backwards, the transmission making noise when you open the door, etc.
(Granted, the 2013 Mazda3 and Civic currently have zero powertrain complaints [
])In 2013, the "STOP SAFELY NOW" issue with the Focus Electric seems to be pretty common.
Some of the G's I was pulling on twisty roads last year in the focus were actually pulling on my neck. Agreed, the driving feel is great.
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Everything you said is inaccurate. Ford sold its interest in Mazda. Focus and the Mazda 3 have nothing on common.
Actually, the 2014 Mazda 3 will be the first 3 generation that does not use any Ford parts, platform, etc. Every model prior to that still has as least some Ford parts, DNA.
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Probably not unless they got lucky and the dealer happened to have ordered a 1.6 L EcoBoost 6MT for dealer stock. The vast majority of the Fusions are the 6F35.
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No, it's the AT. It handles very nicely though. There's a traffic circle I sometimes drive and yesterday I was having fun and easily going around upwards of twice as fast as the others. About 1/2 way around I had to slow way down for the goobers in my way.
Wasn't asking you, suss, we all know how well-versed you are in Ford's ordering system, no need to stick your half-a-penny in at every turn.
While I have you, though, what are your thoughts on the Fusion's gear ratios? Are they optimal?
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I was playing the odds of probability on that one, but anyway.
It appears that the 1.6 L EcoBoost in the Fusion uses the same gearbox as the Fiesta ST with a shorter final drive. The spec sheet only lists one final drive not two, therefore it can't be the MMT6 used in the Focus ST.
1st gear Fusion 3.73:1 vs Fiesta ST (B6) 3.72:1 vs Focus ST (MMT6) 3.231:1
2nd gear Fusion 2.05:1 vs Fiesta ST (B6) 2.05:1 vs Focus ST (MMT6) 1.952:1
3rd gear Fusion 1.36:1 vs Fiesta ST (B6) 1.36:1 vs Focus ST (MMT6) 1.321:1
4th gear Fusion 1.03:1 vs Fiesta ST (B6) 1.03:1 vs Focus ST (MMT6) 1.029:1
5th gear Fusion 0.82:1 vs Fiesta ST (B6) 0.82:1 vs Focus ST (MMT6) 1.129:1
6th gear Fusion 0.69:1 vs Fiesta ST (B6) 0.69:1 vs Focus ST (MMT6) 0.943:1
Reverse gear Fusion unlisted vs Fiesta ST (B6) 3.8:1 vs Focus ST (MMT6) 4.600:1
Final Drive: Fusion 4.07:1 vs Fiesta ST (B6) 3.82 vs Focus ST (MMT6) 4.063/2.955.
So given this, and given that the Focus 1.6L EcoBoost in Europe and the Mondeo are also using the B6 gearbox as well it seems more likely that the Fusion is using the lighter duty transmission.
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The 6F35 seems to have had a lot of its kinks worked out so I don't think you'll have a problem there! Enjoy the new ride!
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