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Why? So your willing to put $1700 into your engine but wont spend $500 on better suspension? So all that extra power you might make will be lost into the factory suspension slop.

Also a single stress bar isn't going to do shit. If you really want just one stress bar, I got a ebay special laying around.
Well, see, I don't really know anything about it. Literally nothing. If you tell me about it though, I might be up for it. [;)]

Please tell me about the extra power and how it will be lost with a stock suspension? And how a better suspension will give me more power. What is a "suspension" anyway?
 
He's referring to the soft, old springs/struts and rubber oem bushings that have too much play in them. When making extra power you're not able to take full advantage due to this "slop". The car just gets more squirly. A better suspension will allow you to push your car harder.
 
Really, I would have thought the other way around. I learned something new today.
Aerodynamics yes but only slightly measurable above 50-55mph. In autox(if thats what you mean by track) you are not getting up to high enough mph for any real sustained time to see any benefit. Even then if you did it would be to about 3 or 4 decimal points lol. Certain wings on the hatch bring this to near equal.

Better in turns no.

Lightest you can be most definitely helps. Of course you have to be careful what class that puts you in and who else you'd have to run against.
 
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He's referring to the soft, old springs/struts and rubber oem bushings that have too much play in them. When making extra power you're not able to take full advantage due to this "slop". The car just gets more squirly. A better suspension will allow you to push your car harder.
Are you talking about that "hovering/unstable" feeling that happens when you reach and exceed a certain speed? Usually around 85mhp I start feeling like I'm hovering. But in my brother's Integra (significantly lower to the ground and has upgraded suspension) he could be going 112mhp but it only feels like 70, thus it's able to be pushed harder.

Is that what you mean? If so, in effect, the suspension doesn't really affect HP in the sense that you wont be gaining as much HP (or will somehow lose HP), but that you just cant push it as hard because of the unstable feeling?
 
Are you talking about that "hovering/unstable" feeling that happens when you reach and exceed a certain speed?

Yes. Just confirms suspension is lacking.

Is that what you mean? If so, in effect, the suspension doesn't really affect HP in the sense that you wont be gaining as much HP (or will somehow lose HP), but that you just cant push it as hard because of the unstable feeling?
Yes. Sorry suspension =poor performance. Good suspension=win. Good let's you make full use of what power you have.
 
And how much does a suspension upgrade cost? Is this something you can get done at the local shop?

So then after I get everything else done, I'll probably round it off with a suspension upgrade.
Buy a case of beer, drive down here and I'll show you how to do the install. I got all the tools, garage, and know how. Installing suspension isn't something that I'd pay a shop to have done. I can swap a focus suspension over in about an hour.

Front struts http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/...2&partNum=338014&autoMake=Ford&autoModel=Focus+ZX4&autoYear=2006&autoModClar=SE

Springs http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/...et&partNum=51666&autoMake=Ford&autoModel=Focus+ZX4&autoYear=2006&autoModClar=SE

Coil Overs if you want low lows

http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/...er&partNum=51668&autoMake=Ford&autoModel=Focus+ZX4&autoYear=2006&autoModClar=SE
 
to me, it doesnt matter if its a sedan or a hatch. i love them all.

i might be a little partial to the sedan.....here is my last one:

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i say go for it. its all about what makes you happy. i wouldnt worry about value afterwards. just save your oem parts and sell aftermarkets if need be later on. usually worth more off a car sometimes than on a car
 
If you want resale value, then NO, it's a waste of money. I am so upside down on my car it isn't funny. But if you want enjoyment, consider the price spent no different than any entertainment cost you pay: movies, fancy dinners, concerts, boating, etc. After it is over, you have nothing to show for, but still spent all that money. At least modding a car will leave you with something you can wrap your hands around.

If it were me, I would do the suspension first. It already handles well, but a better suspension makes it a much better handling car, which is very fun on off ramps. You will need (want) it anyway. Then, all those mods you listed can be done one at a time as your budget allows, leaving the tune (if you go that route) for later. I talked with Tom about an MPG tune, and he didn't think he could improve much over what I was getting, but I had a Zetec, the Duratec may be different. He will shoot straight with you.

When you do the suspension, skip the rear upper stress bar, waste of time and money. All it does is take trunk space, the sedan already has plenty of support back there with the trunk lip, rear package tray, etc. Do a front, but it's not super important I don't think. This is not an old Honda that folds like an accordion.

If your brother has a lowered Integra, you might want to get his help, he sounds like he may be more ahead of the curve than you are. That's the quickest and easiest help for you. Good luck!
 
I think it's worth it. But I would look into upgrading your suspension, as well. Adding some bolt ons and getting a tune is great, but you wouldn't be able to truly appreciate them unless you have a stiffer suspension. Not saying you have to slam it or get coil-overs, but there are several kits out there with a noticeable drop and better handling than stock.
 
Its not bad. It all depends on how you mod your car. I get props on mine all the time.



Please learn how to use the shift and period keys on your computer [poke]

Its not common for sedans not to have a rear sway bar. Its the S and LX trim models that didn't have them. Most SE's have them and all SES' have them. A upper strut bar in the front does not make a big difference if any at all. I have mine for looks.
My SE does not have a rear sway bar.
 
Are you talking about that "hovering/unstable" feeling that happens when you reach and exceed a certain speed? Usually around 85mhp I start feeling like I'm hovering. But in my brother's Integra (significantly lower to the ground and has upgraded suspension) he could be going 112mhp but it only feels like 70, thus it's able to be pushed harder.

Is that what you mean? If so, in effect, the suspension doesn't really affect HP in the sense that you wont be gaining as much HP (or will somehow lose HP), but that you just cant push it as hard because of the unstable feeling?
I don't know about that theory. While I always said, my Focus is no race car by any means. It cruises 80-85 without a hitch, and it feels stable enough for me.
 
OK i got a question for yall. Ive got an 04' sedan that has a full Eibach racing suspension on it with front coilovers and rear springs and shocks. All are from the same kit. I dont know what kit it is but it handles GREAT and lowered it almost 3" to 4". It handles and preforms alot better then my wifes car does. Any lower and it rubs the tires in turns. My wife has an 08' sedan. My question is if we went to sell my car would i be able to take my suspension off and put on her car if i wanted to? Basically trade suspensions.
 
OK i got a question for yall. Ive got an 04' sedan that has a full Eibach racing suspension on it with front coilovers and rear springs and shocks. All are from the same kit. I dont know what kit it is but it handles GREAT and lowered it almost 3" to 4". It handles and preforms alot better then my wifes car does. Any lower and it rubs the tires in turns. My wife has an 08' sedan. My question is if we went to sell my car would i be able to take my suspension off and put on her car if i wanted to? Basically trade suspensions.
i dont think you could the 1st gen and 2nd gen suspension doesnt switch over if i remember correctly 99.9% sure though
 
I have a differing opinion when it comes to modifying anything that could either hinder, or does nothing for resale. Aside of an air intake, better rims, and a paint job, that's about as far as I plan to go with mine.
 
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