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I've read many articles about the dual-clutch automatic transmission used in the Fiesta and Focus and the myriad problems people have been reporting. I'm also aware of the class action suit against Ford for this issue.

I was just stating that yes, I've experienced some of the same stuttering, hesitation, and other problems being reported, but that in my experience my car has done everything I've asked it to do.

A year or two ago, I took it in for an unrelated fuel system recall and had the TCM flashed and upgraded.

The point I was trying to make is that other than oil changes, a new battery, and a new set of tires, my Focus has been solidly reliable. A month ago, during the Texas ice storm, the car started at 6°F and made its way through a foot of snow to and from work and through compacted snow and ice the following day.

I'm nearing 40,000 miles on a six year old car. I was rhetorically asking if I am just lucky or is my transmission a failure waiting to happen?

I say this with no hyperbole intended, but I'm really happy with my Focus.
 
40,000 miles is nothing.
When double or triple that mileage let us know.

I don't quite understand the big deal of a car starting at 6° there are parts of this country where it gets darn near negative 50.


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40,000 miles is nothing.
When double or triple that mileage let us know.

I don't quite understand the big deal of a car starting at 6° there are parts of this country where it gets darn near negative 50.


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I've been reading plenty of articles about the premature transmission failures, clutch failures, etc. in hundreds of Fiestas & Focuses of a certain model year in the US; specifically regarding its dual-clutch transmission. I even have a postcard regarding a class action suit.

This is not new, nor should it be a surprise. (It's why I'm asking).

Don't patronize me.

As to the temperature reference, I live in Texas; 85° is downright chilly.
 
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Yes those transmissions are junk.

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But the transmission in my specific Focus is not junk? I'm sorry, but are they not from the same supplier? Is not my transmission the same as all the others?

This answer is not helpful.

But 40,000 miles is nothing, so you may be lucky are yo could have a failure down the road.

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Also (amazingly) NOT HELPFUL.
 
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Yes, but my point was I did not have: clutch failure or any of the catastrophic failures others' described. I did not have a Pontiac G6 fail six months into ownership only to have the service director say "well, it's a mechanical part". I did not have the same G6 fail because the fuel injector controller decided to quit working.

My point is: My 2016 Focus has never let me down in all the years I've owned it. It was covered in snow from top to bottom on Feb. 15, but it started and it got me to work. The following morning when it was 6° and the streets were compacted snow and ice, it got me home.

Where we had no power for nearly four days.
 
Yes, but my point was I did not have: clutch failure or any of the catastrophic failures others' described. I did not have a Pontiac G6 fail six months into ownership only to have the service director say "well, it's a mechanical part". I did not have the same G6 fail because the fuel injector controller decided to quit working.

My point is: My 2016 Focus has never let me down in all the years I've owned it. It was covered in snow from top to bottom on Feb. 15, but it started and it got me to work. The following morning when it was 6° and the streets were compacted snow and ice, it got me home.

Where we had no power for nearly four days.
Bought my focus with 80k on it had the clutches replaced at 95k I'm at about 143k right now and it's still running strong, keep in mind I'm running toms tune which solved a couple issues for me. It is definitely not a good transmission but it gets me where I need to go so I'm happy with it.
 
If you are happy with the car that is great.

Many people don't feel safe with a car that hesitates especially pulling out into traffic, and is probably the number one reason why people dislike the transmission so much.



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You are asking the unanswerable question then needling it to death. Maybe God chose your car to be THE one. Or maybe you will get all of the feared things in the next year out of blue. There is no sense in questioning things chaosian theory applies to when the numbers say there is a problem. Your turn may be coming or not; getting vocal about it changes nothing. You certainly don't drive enough to push it to have trouble by that mileage vs. time, maybe it gets enough time to stay cooled off.

Be glad you got one of the 'good' ones, the more you act like what was supposed to be normal for everybody is something special the worse others feel who didn't get their money's worth and car acting up almost immediately. Asking questions like is it the same trans or not is asinine.

Or maybe instead of being at one extreme of people who are too picky about things including how a car performs you are one from the other end, the one that typically says you have never had any problems at all then a mechanic gets the car to find so many things are broke you cannot count them all. BTDT.

'I was just stating that yes, I've experienced some of the same stuttering, hesitation, and other problems being reported, but that in my experience my car has done everything I've asked it to do.'

Solidly in that second group, the not picky type. There are people in that group that think if one wheel falls off and the car keeps going with the other 3 they are doing fine.

The two opposing sides of any problem or thing. 50% on both sides, if the picky side is imagining things then half of that will be fake but likely the other half of those picky complaints is real and leaving some 25% of the cars to have real problems in a real world and your car is NOT there.............YET.
 
'I was rhetorically asking if I am just lucky or is my transmission a failure waiting to happen?'

The latter most likely. The basic design is flawed and Ford people even have said so. The move to drop sedans is a kneejerk reaction to try to control later occurring warranty issues on them in my view. Just wait until you find out in the future Ford cannot get parts for cars not nearly 10 years old. They will likely be running out of trans sparts a couple years later or so to control the losses by saying we don't make parts for car types we don't sell. Ford has done it before.

Good luck.........I wouldn't keep one of those with the intention of driving it until dead, that will likely be sooner than planned on.
 
I've read many articles about the dual-clutch automatic transmission used in the Fiesta and Focus and the myriad problems people have been reporting. I'm also aware of the class action suit against Ford for this issue.

I was just stating that yes, I've experienced some of the same stuttering, hesitation, and other problems being reported, but that in my experience my car has done everything I've asked it to do.

A year or two ago, I took it in for an unrelated fuel system recall and had the TCM flashed and upgraded.

The point I was trying to make is that other than oil changes, a new battery, and a new set of tires, my Focus has been solidly reliable. A month ago, during the Texas ice storm, the car started at 6°F and made its way through a foot of snow to and from work and through compacted snow and ice the following day.

I'm nearing 40,000 miles on a six year old car. I was rhetorically asking if I am just lucky or is my transmission a failure waiting to happen?

I say this with no hyperbole intended, but I'm really happy with my Focus.
I just got here, but suggest you re-read what AMC posted if it's not making sense right away.

I will try to give you the concise blanket answer you are looking for.

Yes your transmission is failing since you are experiencing those issues, so no you are not lucky. If the Ford mechanic tells you that is normal for these cars then they are full of crap and kicking the can down the road. If you replace your clutch the issues will go completely away until you get right back to where you are today in 4-6 years based on your driving habits.

I think you need to re-evaluate what you consider a failure of something mechanical, again re-read what AMC posted. Once a part is not working mechanically as designed it should be replaced. Do you have to replace? No. The issue here is we are talking about a transmission that let's your vehicle do the most basic needed task of movement vs something like a power window. Sure the window motor is struggling, but you can refrain from using it to avoid complete failure. if it fails completely you may have a window stuck in the down position. Quite a huge difference from being stranded on the side of the road, or side swiped in traffic because it hesitated a lot worse then you were ever used too.

Oh and your little comment about this being a whole forum dedicated to 'promoting' Focuses but crapping on Ford's DCT issue is ludicrous. The Focus has been around for a very long time, way before 2016. We may own the cars but we don't have to be complete enthusiast fan boys of the 'brand'. There are forums like these around for all makes and models of cars and they are not necessarily promoting the vehicle. Sometimes you simply need advice from other owners on fixing your car and that happens in places like these. Meetups, mod talk, etc, yeah that happens here too because where else? Before the internet it was a lot more legwork and referring to the chilton/haynes manuals. They made a crappy newer model and it's illogical for anyone to say it's good just because it's a Ford, Focus, or because they own it. If you want to fan boy this up by all means go ahead and do so, you won't find many people here doing the same because we all know Ford and their Focuses won't ever love us back like that.

I have a 07 Focus with over 80k miles on the transmission and have not experienced any of the issues owners of the newer models with the DCT report. If my car did I would be troubleshooting the transmission because something is obviously wrong and I wont stand for that from a purely safety perspective. When it comes time to replace my Car I am not going with a Ford. I don't need a bigger car and they are abandoning the small ones. Even if they still offered the small focus or fiesta I would probably not go with them because of the DCT issues. if I had a 2016 like you do with the issue starting I would be looking to trade it in asap before it completely fails if i could not get a good solution from the class action and/or just get ford to buy it back. It's going to cost me a lot of money either way.
 
FYI, just the simple hesitation issue can get you killed if it happens at the wrong time. It has happened to people whose families later sued Ford over it. The rash of Ford TFI-4 ignition module failures had a group like that in it. Going down freeway in left lane and car simply lays down and dies for a second and the guy behind doesn't understand or pick up on it and whammo, The earliest Focus fuel pump recalls again had more of the same. The cars didn't have to fully come to a stop, if you are in heavy freeway (lemming) traffic and you even hesitate you can cause a 10 car pileup. That one if driven with bad pump long enough could easily turn into 15-30 seconds of low to zero power if you were taking a right hand sweeper turn when it happened. BTDT myself. And Ford again did more of the same with the ignition switch fails in the early '90s that could have the car suddenly quit or catch wiring on fire while driving car or even parked in driveway, like the later cruise control switch recall issue did as well. If you think you won't back off on throttle to 'hesitate' in freeway traffic when the smoke comes curling around your face, well, I beg to differ. The others around you will not grasp that and then you are in an accident situation wanna be or not.

You're at a stop sign and your turn to go, you hit the gas and the car then tries to move but doesn't for a fractional second, the guy behind you is pressing you hard and late for work, (they ALL are now!) expecting you to pull away in a normal fashion he quickly jumps up and smashes you in the back end. Just because the car hesitated for a second.
 
Discussion starter · #20 · (Edited)
OK, I'm humbled a bit here. The question I've been asking has been answered in the most honest way possible by amc49, Burner1515, and others and I want to thank everyone who responded. Honest answers are the best answers.

So maybe I'm not so lucky because I don't drive enough. The quandary for me is that my previous 2009 Pontiac G6 did just up & die on me twice (within a year of ownership) whereas my Focus has not (yet). Further, my Focus got me to & from work during the recent catastrophe that was the Texas ice storm. My car (and everything else) was covered in snow, it was 6°F outside, but the car started without issue and I made it home.

I now understand that my transmission is just waiting to fail, but how do I reconcile that with the fact that (for me), it has otherwise been a very reliable car and I don't want to trade it in? Besides, my budget doesn't currently allow for a car payment right now.

Secondary question, is there a third-party solution available for my car? I have a venerable transmission repair shop near me that I could go to. However from what I gather, the core problem is that the transmission itself is flawed from the start, so I'm going to presume the answer is "no"?

Lastly, thanks again to everyone who answered. I appreciate all the responses.

P.S. I left out a detail: I traded that G6 for a base Focus sometime around 2014/2015 or so. What I left out was that Focus never let me down either. I traded that for my current car because I felt that there should be some enjoyment when commuting. In case you were wondering about the gap.
 
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