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No they just reprogram the keys. If everything is swaped over that is required to swap over the keys are the last thing needed done, the rest acts like it came with the car from the factory.

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Sorry i'm not following that. I don't know what you mean 50-60, and what it has to do with a phone?
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They reprogram your original key. I also only had one they made a second for me. I believe it came out to $50-60 for the key and reprogram and it takes like 10-15mins.

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I dunno how, I assume they use a key maker. They an just make a copy of a key. I don't know how they go about reprogramming it. The $50 to 60 dollars is the price they charged me to do the whole process. Which was to make a second key, and reprogram it for the car.
 

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I dunno how, I assume they use a key maker. They an just make a copy of a key. I don't know how they go about reprogramming it. The $50 to 60 dollars is the price they charged me to do the whole process. Which was to make a second key, and reprogram it for the car.
hi, you have the phone number, is a company or some guy make the job, thanks.
 

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I own a 2003 Focus LX with manual transmission that a prior owner put a Zetec into - and from the paint marks on the engine, I think that engine came out of a wrecked 2000 Focus. The only way you can tell the swap was done is if you know the LX never came with a Zetec, or you plug into the engine computer and compare the VIN in the engine computer with the VIN on the dashboard.

It's a shame that Ford didn't put the Zetec into all of it's Focuses of those years.
 

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Hi All, new to forum. I have joined the 2001 SHOC dropped valve seat club- # 3 intake. 150K mi -been idling wierd when warm for a year. I was the wife's car and nobody including Ford would say why it idled wierd. There is a lot of denial at my Ford dealer; but, they really worked at it to put us in a new one with iffy credit.

Is the Vin 3 2001 donor a suitable vehicle for the swap? After pulling the head and seeing the mess, piston head removed freely, rod bent and 1/8" or more cylinder gouge. Junk. Head looks rebuildable but why? Its quandry: buy a crate remanufactured SOHC and drive it till it drops. The car does'nt have a scratch or even a paint pit. I can wrench at middle skill level, have a degree in electronics and have swapped out big blocks in roomy places... This looks tiny and zero working space. I have fat fingers!

So if this is a suitable donor, what do you folks recommend? The wife bought a new one and this one is just sitting. Now its ok to wrench without potential castration ;-^) It has a year on the tags, a new battery and fuel pump. Inside is clean. What would you do that have swapped em or did a R&R? Thanks much. Jim
 

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Vin 3 just means it a zetec that has nothing else to do with any thing. Yea, the closer the years the better. Both being 2001 it the best way to go. Just make sure the transmissions are the same. If yours is auto make sure the zetec donor is auto vise versa if its a manual.

If you buy a remanufactured engine, it will usually tell you if the valve seats have been replaced correctly. It is rebuildable. If the head had been replaced before it dropped it would have also been fine. Most people don't know about the problem till its too late. But all after market and rebuildable company's do and they sell the required heads and engines to make sure your good to go.

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wavetuner, you should have started a new discussion I think since your just asking for an opinion, this thread is more for how to do it and the pitfalls, than an opinion on whether or not to do it.

But I will give an answer with some things to consider:

Cheapest and easiest by far will be a crate SOHC you will not have to mess with the computer or electricals or any of that - plus the wrecking yards are stuffed full of parts for SOHCs. If you are looking towards resale then a completely stock vehicle will fetch the highest price. And really, these engines are light weight so you can easily pull the engine and trans as a unit and put them back in - that is after all how the factory did it.

But, the SOHC is underpowered compared to the Zetec. If your used to your LX with the SOHC and you put a Zetec in it you will likely feel like your holding the car back, the car wants to run. It's a lot more fun to drive.

And now you see why people do these swaps. Your basically trading up from a pedestrian inexpensive grocery getter to a sports car on the cheap. That is what makes the economic sense of it.

And this is where the power train matters. I personally feel if your going to spend the money and time and effort to do the Zetec swap, your wasting your time to do it on an automatic. I find nothing at all sporty about an automatic - others may disagree - but automatics are for soccer moms and old people who can't work the gearshift and mail carriers and other delivery drivers who are concentrating on other things than driving.

So, if I were you and my SOHC was an automatic I'd just sell it, why bother. I might look around for a wrecking yard SOHC - good luck on that - and if I was lucky enough to find one if the price was right I might fix it - then sell it. Some of the SOHC's in wrecking yards do have rebuilt heads - and many rebuilders will tag their heads and it's easy to tell if you know what to look for.

If I had a 17 year old kid that I knew was going to need a car then I might do the crate engine thing and just give him the automatic. I'd rather put a 20 something boy child into an automatic - I know he's going to race the dang thing, do stupid stuff and all of that - might as well make it harder for him to kill himself.

But if my SOHC was a stick shift then I would definitely look at the Zetec swap. I might go so far as to get a crate engine Zetec then haunt the pick-n-pulls for the remaining pieces if I wanted to keep it for a long time.
 

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Actually its cheaper to swap to a zetec than to buy a refurbished SPI. That's the reason I did it. If you can get a parts car or a yard willing to let you pick everything you need from a complete car then go for it. I couldn't find a spi under $2300 before shipping, I did the complete zetec swap for $1300 that is with the cost of renting space in a co-workers garage. So technically it was only $800 for the swap. It is very time consuming and can be a bit tedious at times when it comes to the harness. but if you run the main harness with the engine out of the car it makes things a lot easier. I know people who can do the swap over the weekend it took me and a friend a week working on it a couple hours every morning. That includes sourcing parts as I went.

You can easily convert a auto spi, to a manual zetec. No reason to sell it if its a auto. But you will need much more parts.

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Btw if you can afford a creat zetec engine then sure go for it. But be aware they won't come complete and you will need a boat load of parts to do a swap. I'm not really sure -most people- actually know how much is needed or envolved to get the swap done, especially doing a five speed swap, weather the car was a five speed originally or not. You will need a complete zetec donor car to pick from reguardless or have a ton of money sat aside. Like 3 to 4 grand if you go the create engine path. But then ask your self is that really worth it. You can buy a nice ZTS for that much.

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Your right in that a used Zetec is cheaper than a SOHC crate, I should have worded that differently - I meant that a SOHC crate is cheaper than a Zetec crate. He was talking about looking at crate engines.

Of course, going for a used engine is much cheaper than crate, but I can't say much about a used SOHC vs used Zetec, I haven't priced something like that. My gut instinct is that finding a used SOHC worth fooling around with would be a lot harder than finding a used Zetec.

Just curious what criteria did you look for when you bought your Zetec?
 

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A complete car. Needed to be the same year, and needs to be the same transmission. In order for the ecu to swap easier.

Also keep in mind if going from auto to auto you don't need to swap out the trans. You just pull the block and head and harness. Don't even need to remove the hood.

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$800 but I got a good deal from the parts yard. I've heard on average $1000-1200.

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I bought a doner car a couple if weeks ago. I had my buddy come over to look at it and he said it would be easier to fix the doner than do the swap. But we like doing body work more than anything else. But I paid 500 for my doner with a clear title. As long as you do all of your own work it shouldn't cost an arm and a leg
 

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If I could have found a descent zetec powered focus. I mean descent as in better than mine. I would have been more than happy to swap things over. I had already done a lot of work to my car and did want to see it go, plus I couldn't find a zetec powered car four under 3 grand. The swap was the cheaper choice for me. If I was you and you found a nice focus if not in better shape than what your current focus is then yea I would just fix the zetec donor car.

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