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I'm glad we don't have a ton of females on this site because this is going to sound abrasive.

You get one shot... if you believe you were abused. You don't get to hold your cards (in your hand).... and play them years later. You report the abuse when it happens... and live with the fall out. How in the world can you defend yourself against allegations from years and years ago.

Revenge and justice are not the same. Justice is timely and revenge can last forever. Our judicial system should be based on justice not revenge.
 

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I disagree with that. It's called karma. Karam is a bitch.
Unless you've been through it you don't get to talk about it as far as I'm concerned male-female I don't care.

I'm not talking about politics either I'm just talkin about abuse.

I guess you believe the same things about the children being molested by Catholic priests.



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I'm glad we don't have a ton of females on this site because this is going to sound abrasive.

You get one shot... if you believe you were abused. You don't get to hold your cards (in your hand).... and play them years later. You report the abuse when it happens... and live with the fall out. How in the world can you defend yourself against allegations from years and years ago.

Revenge and justice are not the same. Justice is timely and revenge can last forever. Our judicial system should be based on justice not revenge.
I am male and your post even offended me. Things were different back in the nineties. Men in power got away with crap like this because nobody would have listened to her. "Oh you poor little hysterical female" We didn't have all the security cameras that we have now. So even back then, it would have been her word against the word of a powerful senator.

Put Tara Reade and Joe Biden on a lie detector.

Like Biden's lawyers would ever agree to that.

I wonder if you would feel the same way about this if that had been your daughter.
 

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Big difference between adult-on-child molestation/rape, and adult-to-adult misbehavior. Children are afraid of the consequences of speaking out against an adult who has power over them, so they simply don't. Then they tuck away the fear/pain/sadness until something triggers the release of those memories... usually happens after they get to a "safe" situation in their life, then the shit-hits-the-fan. Children almost always can't come forward until they are adults.

That said, there are a lot people in politics who get in for the power they can wield... my feeling is, they are the majority. Touching can be a sign of affection, or a power grab. In the case of grabbing a woman's crotch, it's obviously a show of power, whether they know each other or not, a pat on the butt or a caress over the back is affectionate if you're friends, not so much if you're strangers. There are lines drawn for what is "okay" and what is "icky", and what is a "crime". I don't see a crime here, just icky-Joe... still better than icky-criminal-Trump, even if the difference is narrower than we first thought when it comes to treatment of women.
 

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In the case of grabbing a woman's crotch
He didn't just grab her crotch, the criminal complaint was for digital penetration. That is sexual assault.

3 minutes ago or 30 years ago, that is still sexual assault.

I don't see a crime here, just icky-Joe...
Then you are looking at this situation through rose colored glasses.
 

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Big difference between adult-on-child molestation/rape, and adult-to-adult misbehavior. Children are afraid of the consequences of speaking out against an adult who has power over them, so they simply don't. Then they tuck away the fear/pain/sadness until something triggers the release of those memories... usually happens after they get to a "safe" situation in their life, then the shit-hits-the-fan. Children almost always can't come forward until they are adults.

That said, there are a lot people in politics who get in for the power they can wield... my feeling is, they are the majority. Touching can be a sign of affection, or a power grab. In the case of grabbing a woman's crotch, it's obviously a show of power, whether they know each other or not, a pat on the butt or a caress over the back is affectionate if you're friends, not so much if you're strangers. There are lines drawn for what is "okay" and what is "icky", and what is a "crime". I don't see a crime here, just icky-Joe... still better than icky-criminal-Trump, even if the difference is narrower than we first thought when it comes to treatment of women.
I have serious issues with any man treating women poorly. Joe needs to have his hands glued together out in public.

Wrong is wrong end of story.


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We are past the point where a lockdown is necessary except for NYC and New Jersey.
Really depending on where your located & how many ppl are around.....One look at a few meat packing plants.......
 

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I have serious issues with any man treating women poorly. Joe needs to have his hands glued together out in public.

Wrong is wrong end of story.


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Add trump to that list as well.......
 

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Really depending on where your located & how many ppl are around.....One look at a few meat packing plants.......
Like I mentioned before in previous forum threads this is just a another reason why we need to move more towards a vegetarian diet. Meat should not be a primary food source for humans a add-on sure but not a primary food source. We are not Lions we should not rely on steak as a main food source. Just my personal opinion.

People are freaking out because they can't get meat at the quantities they. Buy some rice and add some meat to the rice.

A good way to add protein to rice is to use bone broth instead of water plus you get better flavor. Meat processing plants have always been a disaster, and they will always be a disaster.


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I hear you on the children. That comment was not meant for someone who is entrusted to the care of another human being (mentally disabled, old folks in assisted living, anyone who cannot protect themselves). Yes the Harvey Weinstein predators are out there. I tell my daughter that it is your body and no one has the right to make you feel uncomfortable. I do not tell her to cover up a crime, and come out 20 years later seeking revenge.
 

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I hear you on the children. That comment was not meant for someone who is entrusted to the care of another human being (mentally disabled, old folks in assisted living, anyone who cannot protect themselves). Yes the Harvey Weinstein predators are out there. I tell my daughter that it is your body and no one has the right to make you feel uncomfortable. I do not tell her to cover up a crime, and come out 20 years later seeking revenge.
You just don't get it. Victims of abuse are often scared, intimidated and in a state of disbelief at what just happened to them.To Reade's credit, she did try to report it at the time. Her mother called Larry King asking for guidance.

Before the metoo movement, these women were expected to just shut up and tow the line.

Even today, many (if not most) victims of sexual assault are scared to come forward. The real tragedy in the Reade case will be if Biden thinks he has to threaten legal action against her in a vain attempt to bolster his reputation. Most people realize that if this was a false accusation he would have done that the moment the story broke.
 

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I wonder if she broke a non-disclosure agreement like Stormy Daniels? After all, that was why she went to court, not because of any defamation suit.

But that's beside the point, we are once again given the choice between two moral-lightweights, although the difference between them is still clear... with Biden we see a selfish, avaricious, adventurer, who stepped over the line of moral turpitude on one occasion... with Trump we see a selfish, avaricious, serial predator, who steps over any and every line that is placed their by either conscience or law.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"... in that case, having come-up in the 50s-60s-70s (when sex became just another a mode of communication between interested/interesting strangers), I can't throw stones at Biden (not to say I did the same thing)... but I can at Trump, he is clearly a sociopath, who is not in the least bit contrite about any of his crimes against anyone or anything (women, men, his family, the Constitution). Biden sucks, but DJT is evil.
 

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Be warned. There are forces that are more concerned with maintenance of the former status-quo than they are with protecting people's lives. That said, livelihood is important as well, and many people who formerly worked in the entertainment and restaurant sectors are without work. But that doesn't mean we should continue to protect the wealth of casinos, theme parks, musicians, bars/inns/hotels, and restaurant chains, over and above the health and well-being of the millions who formerly visited those places to spend "excess money". Early Herd Immunity against COVID-19: A Dangerous Misconception (Once again, we see Rush Limbaugh at the fore of misinformation and greed.)

It's clearly time to ramp up American manufacturing and trades sectors of the economy, so people who are displaced from the old status-quo can find work doing something more sustainable and desirable. China has taken too much lead in the manufacturing of pharmaceuticals and electronic tech components... any admin we get in the near future needs to foster the redevelopment of those sectors, not the reestablishment of waste-and-excess.

The current admin has NO plan to use the power of the federal government to stimulate the economy in the direction of change... they just want the market to "look good" for the sake of re-election cred. Here's the word from the real experts at the CDC (leaked, against the wishes of the corrupt cultist POTUS): https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/CDC-Business-Plans.pdf
 

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with Biden we see a selfish, avaricious, adventurer, who stepped over the line of moral turpitude on one occasion...
Seven women have come forward with reports of inappropriate touching

One report of digital penetration/sexual assault.

You're a smart guy so I know you were already aware of that.

Your Democrat is showing.
 

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The Biden/Reade thing has more facets to it than a simple 'he did it'. To those unaware, she worships Russian Putin to the point of almost orgasm, read the article she wrote below...........


As well, her new lawyer has donated a good chuck to Trump's campaign.........her situation is nowhere near as clean cut as people would like to think.

And then there is this from the Associated Press and her being interviewed on the subject in the past......"I wasn’t scared of him (Biden), that he was going to take me in a room or anything. It wasn’t that kind of vibe."

So, which is it? The story has already changed several times and sources she quotes as knowing about it are either very close to her (immediate family) or will not corroborate the story at all. Why she is now mad and leaving the Democratic Party, they would not back her up and now she is insulted. And she's changing mind on Putin as well. I guess he has now assaulted her as well.

Another don't know where they feel they are at second-to-second lemming to mess up the works.

Buyer beware.
 

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Your Democrat is showing.
Not at all, you see my "Anybody-But-Trump" showing, which can't be hidden... that shows like a six-color face-tattoo on an Aryan.

Additionally, some of that "inappropriate touching" wouldn't have been considered "inappropriate" less than 10 years ago. Before the Me-too Movement, placing hands on shoulders, kissing on the cheek, reaching a restraining hand on a waist, unbidden hugging, or petting the top middle of a back, would NEVER have resulted in a description like, "violated their personal space in ways that made them uncomfortable". These women likely believe it is more important to support the awareness that was raised/started by Me-too, than to stay quiet about something they considered trivial when it happened, but now want to illuminate. Only the one, "digital penetration" claim could be considered a "character marker", but that one may be Trumped up.

How many women had gag-orders placed on them by DJT lawyers' suits (still in "progress") for similar to far-worse complaints... is it 23?
 

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The Biden/Reade thing has more facets to it than a simple 'he did it'. To those unaware, she worships Russian Putin to the point of almost orgasm, read the article she wrote below...........
I find these comments reprehensible. Attack the accuser. Tarnish her reputation. Minimize her.

The bottom line is this guys.

Filing a false police report is a serious crime. It can be either a misdemeanor or a felony.
In light of this, Tara made the charge against Biden.

Biden has not responded with legal action.

Tara has offered to sit for a lie detector.

Biden has not.

So victim shame her all you want, but those are the facts.

I don't care who you are, a man has no right to use his political power to get away with shoving his finger up a woman's vagina. And if said man is falsely accused of such an unspeakable act, I expect him to go to the police and report that a false charge has been made.

From Biden's attorneys....crickets.
 

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It's not victim shaming simply looking for the truth, if it is then you guys have destroyed society.

READ HER OWN WORDS or remain the jackass by your lack of common sense. They don't all fit in the same mold.

I do not agree that this all began with 'me too' recently, I watched a vicious, conniving b-tch of a woman play that 'I'm so innocent' game 25 years ago and everything she said and did came right from that playbook. Finally fired when she was recorded while trying to set somebody else up (the female head of HR itself if you can believe it), she had already had people fired by HR over her claims. A very attractive woman that later gained the codeword name of 'Box of Rocks' and given to her by another woman, who used it to warn us whenever the woman was on her way over to our other office as even joking among ourselves could be twisted into all being about her. She actively courted client lawyers and promised to marry the one that bought her a BMW..........until the other one bought her a Mercedes 3 days later. She DID keep the BMW AND the first guys' wedding ring too, refusing to give them back. She was usually an utter b-tch to any man that even so much as said hello to her, and if you were smart you didn't anyway. One guy she got fired was simply because he said she looked nice that day, the guy was something of a simpleton in thought and action, a Forrest Gump type and she twisted what he said all up into a crazy sexual thing that he would never have had the imagination to come up with. I knew that guy VERY well and knew how he was, he never said at all what she claimed he said. We actually threw a company office party after she got canned. And hired that guy back, he served faithfully for many years after that with a record as blemish free as it was before she happened along to make his life hell.

I believe in listening to a woman and she will always get the benefit of the doubt at first but once the scale starts tipping then it is what it is. It goes both ways and only the witless don't see that. If Reade were what she claims to be you would NOT find those other questionable things. Same goes with Biden.

You also missed where she offered to take a lie detector test but only AFTER Biden does. Then she refused to do it at all. Why all the flip/flop if the truth is indeed such? Again, the uninformed never look that far.
 

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It's not victim shaming simply looking for the truth, if it is then you guys have destroyed society.

READ HER OWN WORDS or remain the jackass by your lack of common sense. They don't all fit in the same mold.

I do not agree that this all began with 'me too' recently, I watched a vicious, conniving b-tch of a woman play that 'I'm so innocent' game 25 years ago and everything she said and did came right from that playbook. Finally fired when she was recorded while trying to set somebody else up (the female head of HR itself if you can believe it), she had already had people fired by HR over her claims. A very attractive woman that later gained the codeword name of 'Box of Rocks' and given to her by another woman, who used it to warn us whenever the woman was on her way over to our other office as even joking among ourselves could be twisted into all being about her. She actively courted client lawyers and promised to marry the one that bought her a BMW..........until the other one bought her a Mercedes 3 days later. She DID keep the BMW AND the first guys' wedding ring too, refusing to give them back. She was usually an utter b-tch to any man that even so much as said hello to her, and if you were smart you didn't anyway. One guy she got fired was simply because he said she looked nice that day, the guy was something of a simpleton in thought and action, a Forrest Gump type and she twisted what he said all up into a crazy sexual thing that he would never have had the imagination to come up with. I knew that guy VERY well and knew how he was, he never said at all what she claimed he said. We actually threw a company office party after she got canned. And hired that guy back, he served faithfully for many years after that with a record as blemish free as it was before she happened along to make his life hell.

I believe in listening to a woman and she will always get the benefit of the doubt at first but once the scale starts tipping then it is what it is. It goes both ways and only the witless don't see that. If Reade were what she claims to be you would NOT find those other questionable things. Same goes with Biden.

You also missed where she offered to take a lie detector test but only AFTER Biden does. Then she refused to do it at all. Why all the flip/flop if the truth is indeed such? Again, the uninformed never look that far.
And the 7 other women are all liars too.

Uh huh.
 
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