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You, know what? I'll tell you what. alot of focus owners really don't get it. this car is not a u.s .market derivitive, you can't go around comparing it to pathetic Gm motors shity ass cars like the saturn. I can't believe anybody would mention it as an alernative or mention it period.

Ok were Americans, we drive oversized shity ass cars that handle like a shoping cart on a freshly waxed floor. Does anybody know about Ford Europe and what they are all about?
The focus was a last attempt to introduce a sporty Euro hatch to north america. This car is not a hot rod or a sportscar. It's a focus. it's not about Iowa or Texas or Utah, it's about an alternative to American cars. And we still don't get the good cars here in America, The Rs is no where near a comparison to the zx3, and so forth. There is Cosworth and there is SVT and ther is once again, no comparison. our focus is shit, most of em' are made in mexico.... And not to talk more shit, but standardized wages there are terrible and workmanship suffers as a result. So lets get real. Either put multiple thousands of dollars in upgrades into your car or just let it rest. Alot of people on this site would have been better off with a civic. At least you know it is easy to get upgrades for. lets face the truth, the focus is slow and barley competitive. The Svt needs alot of work to be competitve as well.

Ford has screwed the north American marker with cheap ass shit. and all you can do to get around it is to move to England. get it? I hope you do.... No offense to enthusiats but we are working with shit ass parts from a company who treats us like idots. Alot of people know what performance is worth, but is Ford listening to us about it? No way!

WE WANT THE RS COSWORTH FOCUS AND WE WANT IT NOW! EVERYBODY CONTACT YOUR LOCAL DEALERSHIP AND REQUEST THE RS. JUST LIKE ANY POLITICS, THEY WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO SELL US THAT CAR!!!! RISE UP AND DEMAND THE REAL SHIT!!!!!

sincerley,

pissed off north american duped Svt owner.
good luck
 

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you realize the svt when tested against the new si beat it in every category including the 1\4 mile so you might want to rethink that statement.
 

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no can do...
in my opinion we won't be getting the RS nor the Cosworth; in my opinion, it's a question of different culteres, markets and especially different mentalities!
to keep a long theory short, here in north america, there's the concept of big traditional cars, for example the Mustang, that the market got used to and is now part of the culture... in Europe, same sorty but different concept, small cars are their thing...just take a look at the Renaults, Peugots...most of their sports cars are small, powerfull cars!
Don't you think Ford, and specifically the SVT could have have created a better, more poewrfull focus? should they can, are they going to? i don't think so because strategically speaking it wouldn't make sense, it's an image thing...
That being said, Ford should be a little more open minded and listen to its customers and to what the market is looking for...

Just out of curiosity, and this question is addressed to everyone, if you had the choice between the new '05 mustang and an RS Focus, what would be you choice?
 

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in my opinion we won't be getting the RS nor the Cosworth; in my opinion, it's a question of different culteres, markets and especially different mentalities!
to keep a long theory short, here in north america, there's the concept of big traditional cars, for example the Mustang, that the market got used to and is now part of the culture... in Europe, same sorty but different concept, small cars are their thing...just take a look at the Renaults, Peugots...most of their sports cars are small, powerfull cars!
Don't you think Ford, and specifically the SVT could have have created a better, more poewrfull focus? should they can, are they going to? i don't think so because strategically speaking it wouldn't make sense, it's an image thing...
That being said, Ford should be a little more open minded and listen to its customers and to what the market is looking for...

Just out of curiosity, and this question is addressed to everyone, if you had the choice between the new '05 mustang and an RS Focus, what would be your choice?
 

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I'm in for the RS here...who wouldn't be. Yes, known fact...Europe gets the real performance cars...as well as Japan....etc...Yes, our Focus is the cheapest of the bunch...but...that's one of the reasons we bought it. The performance is on par with the price. Well maybe not if some how you paid msrp...or got the atx. But I'd doubt we'll ever see the day an american Focus comes within 1 second in the quarter mile of the Mustang GT from the factory. So let's all hope the new GT's run high 13's. Somehow though, the price of an RS here, combined with the insurance, makes me want to have the advantage of upgrading my car to be as competative performance wise...for less...and not give my insurance company a penny more a month.
 

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it aint gonna happen we will never have it... like u said the focus is slow, STOCK but you have a good platform to build on if your in to th e sport compact sceane then you should understand that ours cars need to be built to be fast want a fast car stock get a v-8.
 

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i agree we should get the rs. but there isnt much of a market for it. and the fact that the cars plant is in mexico has nothing to do with its quality. just cheaper to make it there.
 

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I get the point, he is pissed or jealous because Europeans get better cars then we do, plain and simple.

You do know that the focus placed 2nd in a car shootout between the civic and other cars? The civic placed first and the focus placed 2nd.
 

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Geez, take your medication and lay down for a few hours!
I wish Ford would have brought he RS over here. I really do. But the ZX3 isn't crap. Plus did you know that Mexicans are really good workers and my Focus is better built then my boyfriend's 01 Ranger which was built in New Jersey?[:D]
 

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Oh come on. The fact that the car is made in Mexico makes no difference. Up until it was used as a trade-in on my SVT, we had a 1993 Escort station wagon that was built at the same Hermosillo plant that my new Focus was also built at. It had something like 180,000 miles on it and was one of the most trouble-free cars my family has ever had. I have to agree with Ashley, the plant workers at Mexico are probably happy to have a damn job, no matter what the pay is, and are no more likely to "slack" on build quality than any American factory worker.

Dude, you want a real European car? Then buy a BMW 3 or 5-series and you'll walk away happy - they are fast, well-built, made with pride and last forever. They also cost WAY more than a Focus. You get what you pay for...
 

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i dont think the focus is slow. sure comparing 1/4 mile times the focus doesnt seem too impressive. but i think most owners here agree the car feels so much more than the sum of its parts. i had an audi 5000 before i totalled it. my brother had an iroc-z at the time. i would have never raced him from a stoplight, but on the highway and the curves the audi held its own, it gives you so much better road feel than the camaro that you can drive it much closer to the limit. and the focus feels even better than the audi im my opinion. its the best built small car going, and i think its the best vehicle ford makes, price no object. the doors shut with a sold thunk, even in the fifty thousand dollar excursion they still rattle. no, for my money the focus is the best car made. i could afford a more expensive car, but i would be just wasting money!
 

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hmm... company that treats us like idiots. Do they listen? well to give you a scenario abut 15- 18 years ago Ford decided to trash the mustang and go with the Probe. If Ford treats their custiomers like idiots and they don't listen then how comes we have a 390 hp MUSTANG cobra that would wipe the floor with almost any honda. Ford sells cheap ass shit??? Let's see they just released $140,000 Ford GT that has all top notch parts and is just begging to take on all European comers. I will agree though having the RS here would be nice but most of us here agree we couldn't afford it and it wouldn't be benefficial to Ford to release such a car. As far as your views on Mexicans at plants. Well don't believe everything you see on TV. Anybody who has been to Mexico (outside of Cancun) can tell you living in poverty is the #1 occupation. If they have a job like working at a plant believe me they take pride in knowing that .
 

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i think this guy is right when it comes to one thing.... europe gets faster cars. other than that i think he is a douche bag. rather have a civic!? ide rather drive a tin can with a remote control motor. and btw the 2.0 zetec in the focus is an excellent platform to work on, it has many of the old cosworth zetec features and the similar engines are also used in some focus' in europe. get your head out of your rear and wake up and be proud of what you have. them kids in africa dont give a rip that they dont have the focus rs and they seem a hell of alot happier than you... a$$
 

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screw the RS, who wants that piece, i say we get our damn fous, faster, sleeker,stronger, there is an SRT4 and a SC cavalier as well as a SC fn Saturn........Ford isnt stupid there will be somthing right behind all this, it will come out after these and faster than them im sure, Ford tends to do this, they wait for the competition to pittle around w/ their crap, then blow their ass out of the water, until then i say build your own fast ofucs, faster than the RS...........whats that? you cant afford to make your focus faster than an RS? HAH you cant afford an RS then!! they are exppenive arse FWD cars........
 

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maaan, somebody in a really shitty mood 2day?![8]

every time i read "europeans get better cars than we do!" that is so ****ing funny! think the americans should move over to europe and we move to the us. then you can drive them shitty bmw`s, benzes and volkswagen, and we finally get 2 drive them tahoes, navigators, mustangs, expos that we all want like sooo bad!

let`s just be happy with what we have. kidz in the world have nothing 2 eat and we are pissed off because of cars we can`t have...

peace

denis


gotta go phone my friend and ask if i can have a ride with his rs[:)] [:)] [:)] [:D] [:D] [:D] [8D]
 

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Hey man be happy with what u got.....
Personally I don't think the RS is ALL THAT. if you pay that much money for a car it should have painted doorhandles, right???not those cheap-looking plastic ones. the rs is missing gauges for water(or coolant) temp, oil pressure and oil temp!!!WTF????
ok it does have 18'' rims and fly @ss seats and not to forget the power of that turbocharged engine(it does have a gauge for turbo pressure!!).
but in my mind i got the better package in the ST 170 for the money I paid. I rather save the money for modding my ST than spending it on a RS.
Just my 2 Eurocents.[:D]

Still waitin for that right SC or turbo to come out!!!!
 

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I believe things will get better for the focus in the U.S. I hate to say it, but thanks honda for that. The tuner market is very big, and ford dipped it's toe in the water with the focus. The market is becoming more popular, and ford is pretty good at getting to the market they need to sell cars. And I don't want to hear the crap about how ford won't make a car as fast as the mustang. I wouldn't be as fast, and the market is TOTALY different. And by the way, the focus has a 2 inch longer wheel base than the mustang, so stop calling the focus small, and the mustang "a big american car". europeans get the better performance focus because small cars there are all there is. We in the U.S. have more choices, and the majority who go for performance, go V-8... rightfully so in my opinion. Not saying I wouldn't like a kick the imports in the balls focus!!
 

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so tell me why didn't SVT put a 300 hp engine in the SVT? because strategically it would create a conflict with the idea of having a mustang...2 different markets? not too sure about that! when you have too ultra performing sports cars (Mustang-RS), the market would basically be the same, small differences always exist, which is normal.
 

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um... mustang is rear wheel drive. focus is front wheel drive. They are totally different mind sets. If I want performance, I will go for the rear wheel drive, V-8. The options are unlimited that way. For an equal performing 4 banger, less dollars would be spent on modding a V-8 to beat the crap out of the 4 banger. There is two way different thinking cultures here. There is room for both. I agree the focus can't out perform the mustang for marketing purposes. But close to equal performance would be acceptable to the masses
 
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