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As the thread states. I have been having a really strong gas smell at the rear of the wife's 2002 ZX-5. I already dropped the tank and didn't find any leaks. I also replaced the Smog canister, the return hose that goes over the tank and the 5/8" fuel hose that goes to the check valve mounted at the top of the body by gas tank.

When filling the tank, I never go pass the auto shut off {old habit}, I started off with the simple replacement such as the gas cap.

Just saw a write up that my problem could also be the Emission Check Valve Located in the Engine Bay. Is there any way to check this part?

Wife just told me that the smell is now on the inside of the vehicle also.

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am stuck on to what is causing this issue.

PS NO CEL, No stored Codes either

Thanks in advance,

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As the thread states. I have been having a really strong gas smell at the rear of the wife's 2002 ZX-5. I already dropped the tank and didn't find any leaks. I also replaced the Smog canister, the return hose that goes over the tank and the 5/8" fuel hose that goes to the check valve mounted at the top of the body by gas tank.

When filling the tank, I never go pass the auto shut off {old habit}, I started off with the simple replacement such as the gas cap.

Just saw a write up that my problem could also be the Emission Check Valve Located in the Engine Bay. Is there any way to check this part?

Wife just told me that the smell is now on the inside of the vehicle also.

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am stuck on to what is causing this issue.

PS NO CEL, No stored Codes either

Thanks in advance,

Allcruisen
By 'smog canister' do you mean EVAP Canister (fuel vapor storage)?
By 'check valve' do you mean the Canister Vent Solenoid mounted on the canister?
Have you inspected the fuel filler pipe for thru corrosion?
Does the EVAP Monitor (drive cycle) show complete on scan tool?
Was there any fuel odor reduction (even temporarily) after replacing the canister?
Is the fuel odor worse during or just after refueling?

Are you the 'Bronco' Allcruisen?

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By 'smog canister' do you mean EVAP Canister (fuel vapor storage)?
By 'check valve' do you mean the Canister Vent Solenoid mounted on the canister?
Have you inspected the fuel filler pipe for thru corrosion?
Does the EVAP Monitor (drive cycle) show complete on scan tool?
Was there any fuel odor reduction (even temporarily) after replacing the canister?
Is the fuel odor worse during or just after refueling?

Are you the 'Bronco' Allcruisen?

Paul
Paul, Yes I am allcruisen on FSB .

1 ? - Yes EVAP Canister
2 ? - No There is one up top that has two hoses going into it, round in shape held up by a bracket with two nuts. I know it has a 5/8" hose going to it that I replaced and an flex type hose {same size} going to a T that goes to the Canister Vent Solenoid mounted on the canister
3 ? - Yes and there is no rust or any corrosion, also replaced the rubber filler hose
4 ? - Not sure what you mean or how to check for {drive cycle}
5 ? - I really didn't notice much change at all.
6 ? - Not really, Actually when I filled it up after replacing the EVAP Canister and hoses it didn't smell as much as when I park the car in the garage after a drive

I appreciate any and all suggestions as to what is causing this issue.

PS Thinking of making a DIY smoke machine this weekend to see if I missed something.

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4 ? - Not sure what you mean or how to check for {drive cycle}

PS Thinking of making a DIY smoke machine this weekend to see if I missed something.

Thanks,
Allcruisen
All OBDII vehicles have self test monitors that usually run with each drive cycle. OBDII scan tool should tell what monitors have run and are complete. You need to check your EVAP monitor.

Either a EVAP system leak or perhaps the system is not purging correctly and EVAP Canister is saturated. Have you checked Canister Purge Solenoid (in engine compartment) for operation and vapor integrity to the EVAP Canister? Smoke test may be needed.

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All OBDII vehicles have self test monitors that usually run with each drive cycle. OBDII scan tool should tell what monitors have run and are complete. You need to check your EVAP monitor.

Either a EVAP system leak or perhaps the system is not purging correctly and EVAP Canister is saturated. Have you checked Canister Purge Solenoid (in engine compartment) for operation and vapor integrity to the EVAP Canister? Smoke test may be needed.

Paul
Paul I can't thank you enough for helping me get to the bottom of this problem. No, I haven't check the one in the engine compartment. Can you explain how to check that one out ? I did notice it is a part no longer available. I just found one on amazon.

Also, the EVAP Canister was not saturated at all. I blew air from my shop air compressor {at about 10 PSI} through one opening and it just blew out a small puff of black smoke. I'm presuming that was just some carbon, I did replace it with a new one though.

Again your help is greatly appreciated as I am stump on this.

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Im not sure I can help as these systems can be difficult to diagnose. The intersting thing here is that your car has given no indication that the system has failed but you have a strong odor of gas which would indicate a leak somewhere. The manufacturers (ie Ford) hold the operation of these systems close to the vest and understanding their operation is the key to being able to diagnose. The Canister Purge solenoid is signaled by the PCM to open (it is normally closed) under certain conditions to 'purge' the canister of accumulated vapors. The PCM also signals the normally open Vent Solenoid (at the Canister) to close to run its self test leak check during/after a drive cycle (tank pressure sensor looks for vacuum). The Purge Solenoid is in the engine compatment near the firewall on the passengers side and is connected between the engine intake manifold and Canister. Im showing Ford YS4Z9C915BA, Motorcraft CX2397 or aftermarket equivalent - all still available. Before spending $$ on more parts I would try to verify if the solenoid works (opens) and if the EVAP monitor shows complete on a scan tool. The Purge solenoid is a 12V normally closed solenoid and is connected to vehicle power any time the ignition switch is ON (Power Hold relay ON). The PCM grounds the other side of the solenoid to activate (open) it. You should also verify it is connected to an intake manifold vacuum source. Based on what you have told me I suspect you have a leak as opposed to a satutrated canister and the system will need to be 'smoked', etc.

Here is some good Alldatadiy info on the components and basic operation of the system. It says 2001 Escort but it also covers Focus:
http://www.alldatadiy.com/alldatadiy/DIY~G~C41407~R0~OD~N/0/80851247/83204708/83204719/110671822/34853741/34857029/34857699/34857969/34850183/124152939/124152992

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Im not sure I can help as these systems can be difficult to diagnose.

Good luck
Paul
Paul, in just one day you have helped me more then anyone else on another site. I really appreciate you help.

This weekend I'm gonna dig into it further. You have pointed me towards some directions that I would not of suspected, ie: I have been concentrated at the rear of the vehicle since that is where the smell is mostly.

I'm gonna make that smoke machine this weekend and see what I find.

Also, As you mentioned, what has me the most confused is that I am not getting any CEL

I'll keep you up to date as to watt I find and hopefully be able to help others with same problem.

Again, Thanks,
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UPDATE: Yesterday I made a DIY Smoke machine and this is watt I found.

Found smoke coming out from the Purge Valve in the middle where the plastic and the metal connects. Although I am not getting a CEL or stored codes, I am only assuming this has to be my problem.


Also alot of smoke was coming out of this Vent, This I am assuming is normal since it was just venting [scratch]


This is where I connected the hose from the Smoke machine. It's the return line for the fuel vapors to go back to the canister.


And Finally my Home made smoke machine, Worked excellent.


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UPDATE: Yesterday I made a DIY Smoke machine and this is watt I found.

Found smoke coming out from the Purge Valve in the middle where the plastic and the metal connects. Although I am not getting a CEL or stored codes, I am only assuming this has to be my problem.


Also alot of smoke was coming out of this Vent, This I am assuming is normal since it was just venting



This is where I connected the hose from the Smoke machine. It's the return line for the fuel vapors to go back to the canister.


And Finally my Home made smoke machine, Worked excellent.


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Allcruisen
Good job. Looks like you found it. Nice Magyvering.
 

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Good job. Looks like you found it. Nice Magyvering.
Thanks, watt still has me puzzled is that no CEL and no storage codes for a bad Purge Valve Solenoid or anything else for that matter, but then again when both the ZX-3 {Son's car} and the ZX-5 cats were clogged no CEL either, but yet if we don't tighten the gas cap all the way, sure enough a CEL comes on [scratch]

Ordered the Valve and should have it in this week.

PS The smoke machine was credited to you tube videos.

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UPDATE: Yesterday I made a DIY Smoke machine and this is watt I found.

Found smoke coming out from the Purge Valve in the middle where the plastic and the metal connects. Although I am not getting a CEL or stored codes, I am only assuming this has to be my problem.


Also alot of smoke was coming out of this Vent, This I am assuming is normal since it was just venting [scratch]
The valve/solenoid located/connected at the canister is the Vent valve/solenoid. The Purge valve/solenoid is located in the engine compartment (where you connected your smoker). The vent valve is located on the outlet of the canister and is normally open. It only closes during self test. Its possible it is failed stuck closed preventing purging. Did you bench test it? Were you ever able to verify your EVAP monitor was Complete using a scan tool?

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Did you bench test it? Were you ever able to verify your EVAP monitor was Complete using a scan tool?

Paul
Paul, I benched tested it with a pigtail I got from the JY and it doesn't open or close.

That plus the smoke leak indicates to me that I have a bad vent valve.

The scan tool doesn't show any malfunctions, It just reads everything passed. [dunno]

Thanks for your help, I'll be giving an update once the new valve gets here today or tomorrow.

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Did search and couldn't find anything on this. Can anyone please tell me what this shrader valve is used for or why it's there on the Purge Valve ?



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Green capped port is EVAP test (service) port to be used with factory system test procedures (pressure/vacuum tests). Most manufacturers have them.
Google 'EVAP service port'.

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Green capped port is EVAP test (service) port to be used with factory system test procedures (pressure/vacuum tests). Most manufacturers have them.
Google 'EVAP service port'.

Paul
Yeah, Just as I finished posting this , I saw it on google .LOL

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Update:

Just replaced the vent valve by the canister and verified the old one wasn't working properly. I had bench tested it before and nothing, I tapped on the solenoid with power on it and it clicked on and off, then was stuck again, so I replaced it with the new one.

While I was at it I had my spare Purge valve {from when we replaced the engine} and bench tested that out and it clicked on and off with power going to it.

I took the one off the car and bench tested that one and NADA, Nothing.

My question is could the vent valve by the canister of caused the purge valve to short out internally or was it just a fluke that both Valves went bad ?

I am going to fill up the tank today and see if the smell of fumes are gone.

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My question is could the vent valve by the canister of caused the purge valve to short out internally or was it just a fluke that both Valves went bad ?
Failures of the purge and vent valves should be unrelated.

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