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Not all tuners/tuning is equal, ask if your tuner/tuning offers custom tuning and if the flash device they sell now has datalogging capabilities so custom tuning can be done

If not you have to ask your self what kind of tune you want canned or custom ?

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Would canned ever win over custom in that decision?
 

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Would canned ever win over custom in that decision?
Custom tune is a tune that has been loaded then datalogged to make sure it is a safe tune for your engine and to make it a custom tune , matched to your mods and your driving style , no 2 Foci are the same so no 2 Foci are going to respond exactly the same to mods or a tune and to get the most safe performance your money can buy , In the end isnt that what your tuning your car for ? and a custom tune with free tune updates cost less

Canned tune , you get what you get , you dont know how safe it is with out datalogging , you dont know if your getting all your paid for , most canned tunes are made from tuning a few Foci then making a generic tune based on those few Foci tested which means not every car is making its safe potental

Which one do you think would be the better tune ?

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Custom tune is a tune that has been loaded then datalogged to make sure it is a safe tune for your engine and to make it a custom tune , matched to your mods and your driving style , no 2 Foci are the same so no 2 Foci are going to respond exactly the same to mods or a tune and to get the most safe performance your money can buy , In the end isnt that what your tuning your car for ? and a custom tune with free tune updates cost less

Canned tune , you get what you get , you dont know how safe it is with out datalogging , you dont know if your getting all your paid for , most canned tunes are made from tuning a few Foci then making a generic tune based on those few Foci tested which means not every car is making its safe potental

Which one do you think would be the better tune ?

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The custom tune, of course. I'm just wondering why the Injected tuner is so much more popular. Is it because they were the first to announce anything? As far as I know, they don't offer custom tunes, or datalogging; however, I've been out of the loop for awhile. And your tuner is cheaper. Sounds like a no-brainer to me. Now I'm just worried about the warranty being voided issue as I still have 1.5 years/20k miles left.
 

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Correct they came out with a tune first , If you do some looking around I have been here close to when FF started and have been tuning just as long SCT just didnt have the software ready as quick as others , my tuning rep here is super do some reading here about me and my tunes and my customer service is unmatched

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227856&page=20

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It definitely seems like you have a good rep around here. I would probably place the order tonight if it weren't for the warranty. It seems like although your tunes may not claim high hp/tq gains (I know you don't talk these numbers too often because every car is different), the driveability and powerband have become much greater.
 

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interesting to see which would produce more hp gains.. this vs injected.. but what is better is the question despite the hp..
 

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interesting to see which would produce more hp gains.. this vs injected.. but what is better is the question despite the hp..
It should never be about the HP it should be about the safest and best performance and customer service

Thats what you guys have to decide ? I have stated what I do and how my custom tuning works

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Wpuld love to see a shootout too, but Tom is 100% correct. Do you want hp number gains or reliability? About a year down the road or maybe sooner, you have a blown motor cause you wanted gains now. I want longevity and my car to start up every morning when I head to work.

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Wpuld love to see a shootout too, but Tom is 100% correct. Do you want hp number gains or reliability? About a year down the road or maybe sooner, you have a blown motor cause you wanted gains now. I want longevity and my car to start up every morning when I head to work.

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Yeah a comparison would be nice to see. I bet they'd be pretty close in numbers, although I'm not sure exactly what tuning entails.
 

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Yeah a comparison would be nice to see. I bet they'd be pretty close in numbers, although I'm not sure exactly what tuning entails.
Then how would you even consider making a post assuming anything?


Tom is repeating himself over and over in this thread, yet there are still people posting ridiculousness.

Honest truth, the canned tune may have a peak power number that is higher than Tom's tune. That is just how things work. That peak power number may be because the engine is run leaner, or being slightly more aggressive on timing than is safe. As was said, engines have slight variances. If you want peace of mind, get a custom tune. If you want to push a couple buttons and be done, without knowing what is going on, a canned tune works for that.
 

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Then how would you even consider making a post assuming anything?


Tom is repeating himself over and over in this thread, yet there are still people posting ridiculousness.
By that I meant I don't know what tuning actually adjusts, and what datalogging actually logs. What post did I make regarding this?
 

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Since everyone keeps crying.
From Tom's website.

DURATEC Ti-VCT Tune – NEW! (+2012 Ford Focus)

With our basic tune, owners with simple bolt-ons like intake, exhaust, header can expect 5-7whp increase in performance. In addition, you’ll see better fuel economy, increased rev limit, better throttle response and speed governor removal.
 

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By that I meant I don't know what tuning actually adjusts, and what datalogging actually logs. What post did I make regarding this?
What a tune adjust , there is over 100 things changed in most any tune the biggest things is the timing , fuel , idle , rev and or speed limiter , fan temp settings , Alternator settings and much much more , I could go into what changed like closed and open loop fueling and so on but most wouldnt understand it

What dataloging logs and why , when I datalog I want to see what the air fuel ration is as this is the most important this to keep the engine safe under wide open throttle , the 2012 has this built in and can be seen when datalogging this is why datalogging is SO important ,

next thing I want to watch is the knock sensor if there is to much timing then the knock sensor will show this and will show how much timing thats causing knock to keep the engine safe another reason its very important to datalog so your tune can be made a custom tune to your engine

You datalog the load , maf voltage , engine nd intake temps because a lot of the calculations come from what the engine and intake air temps are

It doesnt matter what car or what tune you have this should be done with ANY car tuned and any good tuner will tell you this


As for the datalogging I take over your laptop and set up this datalog list for you , show you how to use it and do the first datalog like I was sitting in the car with you this is very helpful as I know most dont have a clue about tuning or datalogging

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What a tune adjust , there is over 100 things changed in most any tune the biggest things is the timing , fuel , idle , rev and or speed limiter , fan temp settings , Alternator settings and much much more , I could go into what changed like closed and open loop fueling and so on but most wouldnt understand it

What dataloging logs and why , when I datalog I want to see what the air fuel ration is as this is the most important this to keep the engine safe under wide open throttle , the 2012 has this built in and can be seen when datalogging this is why datalogging is SO important ,

next thing I want to watch is the knock sensor if there is to much timing then the knock sensor will show this and will show how much timing thats causing knock to keep the engine safe another reason its very important to datalog so your tune can be made a custom tune to your engine

You datalog the load , maf voltage , engine nd intake temps because a lot of the calculations come from what the engine and intake air temps are

It doesnt matter what car or what tune you have this should be done with ANY car tuned and any good tuner will tell you this


As for the datalogging I take over your laptop and set up this datalog list for you , show you how to use it and do the first datalog like I was sitting in the car with you this is very helpful as I know most dont have a clue about tuning or datalogging

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Thanks for the info Tom that was very informative. You mentioned you look at the air/fuel ratio under wide open throttle. Do you always take WOT to be the most limiting point, even if the car is never driven so, as a safety precaution? Tuning to engine/air intake temps could vary depending on where you drive (I guess altitude would play a factor as well). Say we were to do datalogging when I got the tuner, but then I go on a 6 month trip up into the mountains, how are you able to account for this, or would this be a case of interaction between us and something you would go ahead and change?
 

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So for data logging pretty much your doing the work right? Just seeing our driving habits and adjusting the tune based off the way we drive?
 

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Tom, how many tunes does the tuner hold? (In reference to what I mentioned below)

Thanks for the info Tom that was very informative. You mentioned you look at the air/fuel ratio under wide open throttle. Do you always take WOT to be the most limiting point, even if the car is never driven so, as a safety precaution? Tuning to engine/air intake temps could vary depending on where you drive (I guess altitude would play a factor as well). Say we were to do datalogging when I got the tuner, but then I go on a 6 month trip up into the mountains, how are you able to account for this, or would this be a case of interaction between us and something you would go ahead and change?
Are you saying spending 6 months up in the mountains? You could always datalog and then ask Tom to make a tune while your up there. Remember, he has stated "Unlimited Tunes". So if you spend half your time near sea level down in FL and spend the other half in Breckenridge, CO (9600ft ASL) you could have a tune for both.
 

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Thanks for the info Tom that was very informative. You mentioned you look at the air/fuel ratio under wide open throttle. Do you always take WOT to be the most limiting point, even if the car is never driven so, as a safety precaution? Tuning to engine/air intake temps could vary depending on where you drive (I guess altitude would play a factor as well). Say we were to do datalogging when I got the tuner, but then I go on a 6 month trip up into the mountains, how are you able to account for this, or would this be a case of interaction between us and something you would go ahead and change?
WOT=Wide Open Throttle is where you have the highest risk of damaging an engine so where the air fuel and timing is most important
WOT gets its fuel from the open loop tables
Idle and cruise gets its fuel from the closed loop tables

Altitude does play a role in tuning the ECU can adjust for altitude and for out side temperatures automatically or if very high altitude I can get you another tune to help as you get free tune updates for mods , octane , anything you need

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So for data logging pretty much your doing the work right? Just seeing our driving habits and adjusting the tune based off the way we drive?
I would adjust the tune for many things , any issues you dont like about the base tune , mods or future added mods , driving style , octane , anything I see to improve the tune or engine safety

You the customer would have to do some of the work. After I set up the datalog , show you how to use it you would then do me something like a 5 min idle , 5 min cruise , WOT 3rd gear 2000 to 5000 then a 3 min idle and email it to me , I would then make changes and email back the tune and we go from there as needed and do the datalog again when you add more mods

Very easy to do

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Tom, how many tunes does the tuner hold? (In reference to what I mentioned below)



Are you saying spending 6 months up in the mountains? You could always datalog and then ask Tom to make a tune while your up there. Remember, he has stated "Unlimited Tunes". So if you spend half your time near sea level down in FL and spend the other half in Breckenridge, CO (9600ft ASL) you could have a tune for both.
Last I saw the xcal holds 10-11 tunes but you would never need that many and yes if you needed tunes for those reasons anything is covered under the free NA tune updates , even mods like head package , cams , higher compression etc I dont know of any other tuner that covers ALL NA mods / reasons and free updates , I do

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