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check it out!!!
there is hope!

2011 Packwood National Tour
July 16-17, 2011

[:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]* UNOFFICIAL RESULTS (INFORMATIONAL ONLY) [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]*

Class standings for HS [7 Cars] (7/17/2011 11:10:27 AM)

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T 1 3 Bill Zerr 2003 Ford SVT Focus Sil Hoosier
60.123(1) 56.942 56.127 110.701
55.721 54.574 55.983
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T 2 99 Joseph Austin 2007 Mini COOPER BLUE Hoosier
57.785 57.403 55.847 110.879
58.149 56.298 55.032 (0.178)
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T 3 89 Robert Lu 2011 Mini Cooper Pepper Hoosier
64.208 59.041 57.142 112.603
57.100 55.461 55.570 (1.724)
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4 189 Arnold Yee 2011 Mini Cooper Pepper Hoosier
79.173 59.622(1) 57.437(1) 113.718
57.728 56.797 56.281 (1.115)
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5 97 Jeffrey McVey 2004 Mazda 3 Silver Kumho
67.545 64.092 61.634 124.199
67.240 64.493 62.565 (10.481)
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6 42 Mike Miller 2007 Honda Fit White Hoosier
70.430(1) 67.562 64.672 131.486
67.341 66.814(1) 77.573 (7.287)
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7 98 Richard Bangle 2007 Honda fit White BFGoodr
74.110 69.109 DNF 135.820
71.711 71.561 66.711 (4.334)
 

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The SVT can very easily be the best car for H-stock. The Packwood tour this year and last year have been my only NT events that I've done, both of which I was able to place first. By no means am I an autox noob, with 13 years under my belt. Joe Austin is also no pushover. But both years I failed to put up the perfect run for both days, yet was still able to get the win. I just goes to show how well the car does in the class. I don't even have the optimal shock/strut setup. I was hoping to be able to compete with Jimmy Crawford at the National Championships, to see how well I can do against the best HS driver in recent history, but I heard he's racing something else, which is kinda a bummer.

Anyway, thanks for the recognition!
 

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that is awesome to hear!
so far this season i'm doing pretty well in my HS svt, and we don't have a bad region either. it's only my second season, so it's good to hear the car has potential.
what size tire did you run?? it's hard to to fit a lot under these cars without rubbing too much.

nice driving!
 

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I'm running 225/40 Hoosiers. They are slightly short than the stock size which helps alitte with the SVT's tall gears. Ian Basford, who was at the PW NT last year was running 245/40 Hoosiers on his SVT without rubbing as well, but I'm not too much of a fan of that size since it would be taller than stock. A good set of struts or an H&R front bar eliminates rubbing as well.
 

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Nice work in HS!!! Looks like there was some focus domination in FSP too :D Good job to Omnifocus and Thenorm
 

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yeah, i'm still on stock struts and stock fsb so i rub at times with my 215/45s.
i just put on some 225/45 v710's. they rub because of all the body roll, but that was expected.

i didn't even check the FSP results, that was stupid of me..

i saw Omni did pretty well in the Denver pro also.

focus domination FTW!
 

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new car??^^

or did i miss something with the SVT being moved to FSP??
Working on moving it to FSP. I guess there isn't a thread on this forum about it, but there are these three:

http://forums.focaljet.com/road-rally-auto-x/646728-why-hell-svtf-dsp.html
http://www.sccaforums.com/forums/forumid/20/threadid/40104/scope/posts/threadpage/14
http://www.cicenet.net/showthread.php?t=10412

The gist of it is that in SP trim, compared to the 2.3L Foci that are already in FSP, the SVTF has worse gearing, worse motor, and is heavier. Lots of people have submitted letters, including SVTF owners like me, and 2.3L FSP competitors (Lorin, etc). The suggested change was published in June 2011 Fastrack, too.

I'm excited because it would allow modified SVTF's a chance to competitively autocross. SP seems to be the ideal place for the Focus SVT. My setup should be: Torsen, H&R Race, Koni Yellows, 15x7 TD PR1, 225/45/15 RS3 or z214 c71's, and a race seat of some kind. Somewhat unfortunately, huge tires are legal in SP. I will never spend the $ for 275 Hoosiers, but some guys will, and well, that sucks for guys like me :p
 

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thanks for the links.

that would be outstanding if they moved the SVT over to FSP. DSP just does not make sense..
i saw that fast track. i like the new idea of ST(f)
where do you send the letters to? i'd be happy to send one in as i am an svtf owner as well.
 

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thanks for the links.

that would be outstanding if they moved the SVT over to FSP. DSP just does not make sense..
i saw that fast track. i like the new idea of ST(f)
where do you send the letters to? i'd be happy to send one in as i am an svtf owner as well.
From FJ thread

Go here to submit a letter to the SEB.
 

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On the off-topic note of SVT to FSP, I was talking with a SPAC member this weekend, and the possibility of putting all the Foci 2000-2011 on one line in FSP. I told him that it would be a good way to go, not really a worry of an UD/BD uber focus that would become an overdog in the class.
 

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On the off-topic note of SVT to FSP, I was talking with a SPAC member this weekend, and the possibility of putting all the Foci 2000-2011 on one line in FSP. I told him that it would be a good way to go, not really a worry of an UD/BD uber focus that would become an overdog in the class.
True, I can't think of any reason not to do that. I'm not very familiar with UD/BD, but would that allow SVTF's to do MTX75 swap? That could be good for longevity reasons, and for slightly better gearing. If my trans ever fails, my wallet would much rather swap to a MTX75 than buy a replacement Getrag.
 

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^^ That's right, as long as the model years are on the same line, you can Update/Backdate a particular car with parts from another year and/or model. This is as long as the modifications required to make the change are possible within the street prepared rule set. So yeah, you could put an MTX75 in a an SVT if all the foci would be on the same line.

I think the D23 engine still has the advantage with the changes allowed within street prepared, but I think both engines remain close.
 

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i always wanted to build an FSP car, and with out a doubt i would go with the d23 for that. the low end power of the dura is very nice. my zx3 has the d20 and i can break the tires loose with ease!
in my SVT, not so much..
 

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i always wanted to build an FSP car, and with out a doubt i would go with the d23 for that. the low end power of the dura is very nice. my zx3 has the d20 and i can break the tires loose with ease!
in my SVT, not so much..
Exactly. I couldn't believe the difference from my car when I ran Pete's wagon at autocross, and it is just a zetec with cams/compression that give it a lower/broader powerband than the SVTF. I had wheelspin everywhere, using the same wheels/tires that I used on my car all that season with no wheelspin problems. We both have Torsens, too. I'm flat out on just about every corner exit, but I'm just sitting there waiting, lol. Not much happens at 3k, and not much you can do about that. Grabbing 1st gear is usually just too unsettling. Short wheel/tire combos help a bit, but the SVTF's tall powerband and tall gearing is just too far from ideal for autocross. At least it is fun to daily. Compared to my car, Pete's wagon just kind of falls on its face after 4k, which would annoy me on the street.

Damn this thread is getting OT [spank]
 

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Exactly. I couldn't believe the difference from my car when I ran Pete's wagon at autocross, and it is just a zetec with cams/compression that give it a lower/broader powerband than the SVTF. I had wheelspin everywhere, using the same wheels/tires that I used on my car all that season with no wheelspin problems. We both have Torsens, too. I'm flat out on just about every corner exit, but I'm just sitting there waiting, lol. Not much happens at 3k, and not much you can do about that. Grabbing 1st gear is usually just too unsettling. Short wheel/tire combos help a bit, but the SVTF's tall powerband and tall gearing is just too far from ideal for autocross. At least it is fun to daily. Compared to my car, Pete's wagon just kind of falls on its face after 4k, which would annoy me on the street.

Damn this thread is getting OT [spank]
This is part of why I am so impressed at Bill Zerr's driving. Really awesome to win over a field of Mini's and 3's. Way to go, again, guy [race]
 

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if i started thread can i allow it to be off topic?? haha.

do you ever pull yourself back and forth towards the steering wheel trying to generate more speed out of corners?? ya know, trying to get the momentum going again?? haha i do this every so often and people look at me like i'm nuts!

i tried downshifting a few times, and the car just doesn't respond well to that. plus i've heard it actually adds time when you downshift.
 

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if i started thread can i allow it to be off topic?? haha.

do you ever pull yourself back and forth towards the steering wheel trying to generate more speed out of corners?? ya know, trying to get the momentum going again?? haha i do this every so often and people look at me like i'm nuts!

i tried downshifting a few times, and the car just doesn't respond well to that. plus i've heard it actually adds time when you downshift.
That's funny, haha... Coming out of corners is when I often start conversations with passengers about what is going on. "So, this is where I hate my motor. Anyway, I'm going to try that offset gate up there without lifting this time, we'll see how it goes." ... and etc. Lol
 

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I'm running 225/40 Hoosiers. They are slightly short than the stock size which helps alitte with the SVT's tall gears. Ian Basford, who was at the PW NT last year was running 245/40 Hoosiers on his SVT without rubbing as well, but I'm not too much of a fan of that size since it would be taller than stock. A good set of struts or an H&R front bar eliminates rubbing as well.
I'm pretty sure that Ian said that he ran the 225/45 Hoosiers.
 
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