[mikebontoft]

edit: figured out it's the starter not retracting after start. I'll replace it, eventually

alright so... this doesn't happen every time, but kinda often, except one lucky day at school (or unlucky) when it was doing it every time I started...... now what I need you guys to do (and it's an SPI) is to see if you can't figure out what the noise is, because i don't even know where it's coming from, besides the front... I did check the new pipes however, and they were still tight...

so right, the noise sounds like something out of a dryer, like when you have change in it and it's bouncing around in there... now also notice on the second startup, that it does the other weirdo thing of grinding when I start it... that's much more rare, though... and also looking at the video, it looks like it could be leaking, and spots show up on our new driveway under my car, but I've tried testing for leaks when I park it and I come up with nothing... so I think it might be my brother's car that's leaking...

anyway, any ideas? I am posting a video on here, well actually right next.....I start up a bunch of times so just keep in mind the dryer toss noise every time, and the grind on the second start...[scratch]

 

[mikebontoft]

so uh......?? grr sorry, I'm expecting too much lol

 

[mikebontoft]

bump

 

[loudfocus01]

Well the grinding on the 2nd start sounds like you held the key in the start position after the car was already started. Once you hear it start to fire up, don't hold it in that position any longer. The other noise sounds like noises that come from the inside of the engine. Did you check your oil level? If its low, it could cause some noises like that. I am hoping for your sake that the noise isn't from a dropped valve seal. This has happened on quite a few spi's, and if it happens, you'll need a new head, and possibly a new engine. Hopefully, that is not the case. Keep a close eye on things.

 

[mikebontoft]

Well the grinding on the 2nd start sounds like you held the key in the start position after the car was already started.

OK......that's probably what it was, I was probably listening to the sound and yeah...

The other noise sounds like noises that come from the inside of the engine. Did you check your oil level? If its low, it could cause some noises like that. I am hoping for your sake that the noise isn't from a dropped valve seal. This has happened on quite a few spi's, and if it happens, you'll need a new head, and possibly a new engine. Hopefully, that is not the case. Keep a close eye on things.

damn I'll research that a bit more.... my parents are pissed off that I spend too much time on my car, so I can't go out there and check it out [rolleyes]

hopefully it isn't but I'm really not sure.... it's stopped doing it for the time being, that was a really weird thing that day.... it hasn't done it since. maybe when they're gone again I'll check it out... I wonder if I may have an oil leak... notice in the video how it looks like there's liquid right there I haven't seen any spots since though...

 

[mikebontoft]

shit it sounds like that's what it is.... any way to fix this without having to get a new engine or spend way too much on???

 

[loudfocus01]

Cheapest way would be a new head and hope that none of your other internals are messed up yet.
The valve seal often gets stuck in your intake manifold, and once it gets shot into your
engine that is when it could blow on you. If you get to it soon enough, you can save it.
If you change the head make sure you clean out the intake manifold before putting it back
on, or you'd be buying a new head for nothing.
Do a lot of research, and know for sure thats what it is before making any purchases.

 

[mikebontoft]

I've found that you could also replace the valve seat.... would that work? and I'm guessing the seal is in the manifold and it's bouncing around... do you think if I take it to shop (class) after school I could probably remove the cover, rocker arms, fulcrums and guides and all that crap, and well.....my point is would I be able to get in there and take out the cylinder head and see what it is? I just went outside and started the car and it's doing it again..... seems less though, which means it might be just that much closer to getting into the engine.. (crap I wouldn't be able to do it until wednesday, because i have work monday and tuesday !!)

well I wanted to swap the engine, but I couldn't afford it now!!

 

[mikebontoft]

wait whoa.....do you mean seal, or seat??? I thought seat at first, but I think that's what you meant?

 

[mikebontoft]

bleh. I meant remove the cylinder so I can look under it.... not remove the whole head......and what, will the car just suddenly seize up and then I'm [][][][][][]?

 

[loudfocus01]

I wish I knew........find someone on here that it actually happened to.
I am going off memory from what i've read on here.

 

[mikebontoft]

mm yeah I don't mean to bombard you with questions....lol. gah bottom line is, though, I got it for $4650 (and I looked it up on KBB, found it was a good price but NOW is $2800 :O) but yeah in other words, I'm freaking out and wondering if I should dump the car before it dies and spend the money that I don't have on it, or get this silver hatch (bleh, I want sedan, but they're all crappy and LX's (no offense, to anyone)) the hatch now is $3,200, so I'm thinking maybe I could sell my car for $4,000-$4600 or whatever (actually I just realized the hatch is from a dealer, so maybe a trade (and don't mention the possible engine failure (mm oh yeah, and hope to god it doesn't die before that or clatter when they appraise it...)))

 

[mikebontoft]

hmm my dad is absolutely positive that it is the starter motor. any possibility in this?

 

[FocusPilot]

I had a dropped valve seat in my engine. It took out the block and the head. You will need to pull the head and check the insides of your cylinders. If you catch it early it will only cost you about $250 for a rebuilt head. If you wait to long it will cost you $2000 for a whole new engine.

 

[mikebontoft]

I had a dropped valve seat in my engine. It took out the block and the head. You will need to pull the head and check the insides of your cylinders. If you catch it early it will only cost you about $250 for a rebuilt head. If you wait to long it will cost you $2000 for a whole new engine.

thanks, did you have the same problem, soundwise, as I did?

and wow, I feel like the dumbest mother[][][][]er in the universe now lol.... hmm plus lots of respect to my dad, because I didn't know he knew anything about cars [:0] basically he was right though (I'm not sure of course, but looks to be it) see you guys, I did a lookup on the starter motor issue, and came up with this: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/pro...g-clanking-type-noise-video-sound-thread.html

note the first video, it does exactly what mine's doing....... [rolleyes]
damn.....I was kinda hoping to get that hatch! well, here's the link for laughs [mecry] please someone persuade to my why my car's better....http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=443&sid=&tab=list/view&ad=879245 yeah click on the little pictures for awesomeness....

 

[loudfocus01]

Could very well be the problem.

 

[mikebontoft]

yeah that other video just blows the other idea right out the window! thanks though, I wasn't aware of that seat problem, so I'll know what to look for and what to do, forbid it happens before the swap... (well, obviously not after either, but I don't think SVT's have that problem [hihi]) I'll see if they have any better starters, as my rule is "if it goes bad, replace it with something better"

 

[malim]

Ahhh, come on. New engine is $2000 ??? Here in Toronto, you can get a Zetec engine for about $400-500 plus another couple of hundred bucks to install. An SPI should be roughly the same if not cheaper.

Am i wrong ??

P.S. From the junk yard of course

 

[ArcticMynx]

it may be the starter motor getting stuck in the out position chattering on the flywheel.... but usually when they start sticking it also has a hard time engaging the flywheel

Ahhh, come on. New engine is $2000 ??? Here in Toronto, you can get a Zetec engine for about $400-500 plus another couple of hundred bucks to install. An SPI should be roughly the same if not cheaper.

Am i wrong ??

P.S. From the junk yard of course

I can agree with that one I just ordered/priced a Engine for my Wagon from a yard that can be shown running in the car before removal for $450 with a 1 year warranty

[wrenchin]
To bad I won't need it now and canceled it after I found out my prob is a bad starter, Pinched PCV tube and a shot timing belt LOL (Nice list)

 

[mikebontoft]

ah well I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a new head..... lol I can get a reinforced SVT engine from Tom for $3700, talk about a deal! (can you tell I just want to do it NOW) []