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I have a 2015 SE Hatchback 2.0l with an auto transmission. It works great and runs fine i just miss having a stick. Would it be an easy swap to a standard/manual? I can see theres room for a clutch and brake pedal im just not sure if the standard trans will simply bolt up or not? any insight would be helpful
 

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Hey pappy183,

It's definitely possible. I just completed this very swap. I have a 2014 Ford Focus SE. It previously had a DPS6 (6 speed dual clutch automatic) transmission, I swapped it out for a MTX75 (5 speed manual) transmission.

It took me between 80-100 hours to complete, over a 1.5 month period (mainly working on it on the weekends).

I also documented the entire build process on my YouTube channel. If you want to check it out, search YouTube for: Ford Focus - Automatic to Manual Transmission Swap

Cost me about $1,500~ in parts. I could have saved $150-$200 if I had shopped around, but...

You most expensive items will be the dual mass fly wheel and the MTX75 manual transmission, everything else is pretty cheap(ish).

Parts List:

Part Number: W702426-S303
Description: Clutch Pressure Plate Bolts
Quantity: 6
Condition: New
Where I bought it: Local Ford Dealer
Price: $33.12

Part Number: MTX75
Description: 5 Speed Manual Transmission
Quantity: 1
Condition: Used
Where I bought it: Local LKQ
Price: $407.25


Part Number: 1S7Z6379AAA
Description: Clutch Flywheel Bolts
Quantity: 6
Condition: New
Where I bought it: Local Ford Dealer
Price: $43.46


Part Number: BM5Z6477A
Description: Dual Mass Flywheel
Quantity: 1
Condition: New
Where I bought it: Local Ford Dealer
Price: $370.33


Part Number: 662318 (66-2318)
Description: CV Half Shaft Assembly (Passenger side)
Quantity: 1
Condition: New
Where I bought it: RockAuto
Price: $61.79


Part Number: FD8238 (FD-8238)
Description: CV Half Shaft Assembly (Drivers side)
Quantity: 1
Condition: New
Where I bought it: RockAuto
Price: $53.79


Part Number: MU724781 (MU72478-1)
Description: Clutch Kit
Quantity: 1
Condition: New
Where I bought it: RockAuto
Price: $139.79

Part Number: CV6Z7E395D
Description: FORD OEM 13-16 Focus Manual Transaxle-Shift Shifter Control Cable
Quantity: 1
Condition: New
Where I bought it: eBay
Price: $58.27

Part Number: BV6Z-7519-BD
Description: Clutch Pedal
Quantity: 1
Condition: New
Where I bought it: FordPartsGiant
Price: $35.21

Part Number: 3M5Z-4560-AA
Description: CLIP – CABLE
Quantity: 1
Condition: New
Where I bought it: FordPartsGiant
Price: $3.28

Part Number: CV6Z-7A512-A
Description: TUBE
Quantity: 1
Condition: New
Where I bought it: FordPartsGiant
Price: $9.56

Part Number: CV6Z-7A512-B
Description: TUBE
Quantity: 1
Condition: New
Where I bought it: FordPartsGiant
Price: $6.36

Part Number: F1FZ-2K478-A
Description: RESEVOIR ASSEMBLY – EXPANSION
Quantity: 1
Condition: New
Where I bought it: FordPartsGiant
Price: $56.61

Part Number: CV6Z-3K305-B
Description: BRACKET
Quantity: 1
Condition: New
Where I bought it: FordPartsGiant
Price: $45.28

Part Number: CV6Z-7L468-A, CV6Z-7213-A, CV6Z-7210-A, W500014-S442, CV6Z-7220-A
Description: Insert, Knob - Gear Change Lever, Lever - Gear Shift, 4x Bolts, BRACKET - GEAR CHANGE LEVER
Quantity: 1x each (except for 4x Bolts)
Condition: Used
Where I bought it: eBay
Price: $210

You may also need the rear transmission bracket for the rear transmission mount, this is the part(s) you'll need:

Part Number: CV6Z-6E042-A
Description: MTX75 Transmission Rear Mount - Bracket
Quantity: 1
Condition: New
Where I bought it: FordPartsGiant
Price: $22.82

Part Number: W500035-S442
Description: MTX75 Transmission Rear Mount - Bolts
Quantity: 3
Condition: New
Where I bought it: Local Ford Dealer
Price: $6.75
 

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This ^. I actually just finished watching your series today, awesome vids and very in depth. I actually plan on doing this swap next weekend, just need the alignment tool and flywheel to come in this week.
 

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This ^. I actually just finished watching your series today, awesome vids and very in depth. I actually plan on doing this swap next weekend, just need the alignment tool and flywheel to come in this week.
Thanks! That's very cool! Be sure to report back here to tell us how it goes, or if you have any questions.
 

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Did you do anything with programming the car?

I manual swapped a 1996 BMW 318ti once. But that was old enough where you pull out the transmission fault light bulb and you’d never know it wasn’t a manual from the factory!
 

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Did you do anything with programming the car?

I manual swapped a 1996 BMW 318ti once. But that was old enough where you pull out the transmission fault light bulb and you’d never know it wasn’t a manual from the factory!
a 1996 BMW 318ti... awesome!

no, i have not done anything to the cars PCM (aka ecu/computer) yet. I will be investigating the FoCCCus software and the FORScan thing... Sorry, that's as specific as I can be right now, i will investigate them in the coming months.

But in the mean time, the car runs great, only thing is, I have a check engine light on and a max engine RPM of 3,500.

I'll be covering this in more detail in a video this weekend, as i dive deeper into the cars current 'limitations', without reprogramming the PCM.
 

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But in the mean time, the car runs great, only thing is, I have a check engine light on and a max engine RPM of 3,500.
Sounds like the car/computer still thinks its in park due to not have any inputs. I am guessing that 3,500 rpm is the parl/neutral rev limiter for the DCT.
 

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Sounds right to me
Sounds right to me too. I know that when I did the DCT clutch relearn in Forscan that you have to do some WOT steps. I was thinking I was going to be redlining the thing in park but it only went up to about 3500 so I figured there must be some kind of governor built into the PCM when you are in Park. Maybe Forscan has a way to delete that switch for a manual swap.
 

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Sounds like the car/computer still thinks its in park due to not have any inputs. I am guessing that 3,500 rpm is the parl/neutral rev limiter for the DCT.
Sounds right to me
Sounds right to me too. I know that when I did the DCT clutch relearn in Forscan that you have to do some WOT steps. I was thinking I was going to be redlining the thing in park but it only went up to about 3500 so I figured there must be some kind of governor built into the PCM when you are in Park. Maybe Forscan has a way to delete that switch for a manual swap.
I could have sworn that there is a manual option in the BdyCM menu (near the bottom, "shifter type" or something). I saw it when I was converting L to S on my non-SelectShift.

I could be wrong, though.
 

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Hey pappy183,

It's definitely possible. I just completed this very swap. I have a 2014 Ford Focus SE. It previously had a DPS6 (6 speed dual clutch automatic) transmission, I swapped it out for a MTX75 (5 speed manual) transmission.

It took me between 80-100 hours to complete, over a 1.5 month period (mainly working on it on the weekends).

I also documented the entire build process on my YouTube channel. If you want to check it out, search YouTube for: Ford Focus - Automatic to Manual Transmission Swap

Cost me about $1,500~ in parts. I could have saved $150-$200 if I had shopped around, but...
Thanks for the videos and the parts list - this is very helpful.

Did you also have to get any seal kits since you were using a used transmission? Also, it looks like the slave cylinder comes with the clutch kit and the master cylinder is part of the clutch pedal, correct?
 

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I personally got new axle seals only because the trans has 70k miles and they were inexpensive so might as well do it now to be safe. You are correct though about the master cylinder being apart of the clutch pedal assembly.
 

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I personally got new axle seals only because the trans has 70k miles and they were inexpensive so might as well do it now to be safe. You are correct though about the master cylinder being apart of the clutch pedal assembly.
I just got a bit further in the video playlist and I saw that the main engine wiring harness had to be replaced because there is a different version for the MT. This wasn't included in the part list but it is another significant cost as they run over $200. I also saw that there seemed to be a possible issue with the AC and I have't gotten far enough in the playlist to see if he got that worked out.

Does the original PCM work with the swap? I'm assuming that it does and just needs to be programmed for the MT option. I'm curious as to whether the information displays work as normal for a MT when this is done. On my daughter's 5-speed, the area where the PRNDS is displayed instead has a shift indicator that "assists" you in timing upshifts. Totally unnecessary as you can just go by the tach or perceived engine speed.
 

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I personally got new axle seals only because the trans has 70k miles and they were inexpensive so might as well do it now to be safe. You are correct though about the master cylinder being apart of the clutch pedal assembly.
I just got a bit further in the video playlist and I saw that the main engine wiring harness had to be replaced because there is a different version for the MT. This wasn't included in the part list but it is another significant cost as they run over $200. I also saw that there seemed to be a possible issue with the AC and I have't gotten far enough in the playlist to see if he got that worked out.

Does the original PCM work with the swap? I'm assuming that it does and just needs to be programmed for the MT option. I'm curious as to whether the information displays work as normal for a MT when this is done. On my daughter's 5-speed, the area where the PRNDS is displayed instead has a shift indicator that "assists" you in timing upshifts. Totally unnecessary as you can just go by the tach or perceived engine speed.
Correct, automatic PCM & harness can be used but for it to be able to start, you have to ground a wire coming from the Transmission Range Sensor that tells the PCM whether the vehicle is in Park/Neutral. Later in the series, he actually puts the automatic harness back and grounds that wire. You will have a rpm limiter and a christmas tree on the dash but it'll work nonetheless, this can all be fixed with a tune and messing around in FoCCCus software though.

Edit: Here's the wiring diagram for starting system and TCM, hopefully it may help clear up confusion or help someone with their swap.
 

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Correct, automatic PCM & harness can be used but for it to be able to start, you have to ground a wire coming from the Transmission Range Sensor that tells the PCM whether the vehicle is in Park/Neutral. Later in the series, he actually puts the automatic harness back and grounds that wire. You will have a rpm limiter and a christmas tree on the dash but it'll work nonetheless, this can all be fixed with a tune and messing around in FoCCCus software though.
That's good as I'd rather go the route of keeping the existing harness and PCM. Based on my current cost estimates sourcing some used components this looks to be doable in under a grand in parts. I'm running Tom's tune on my DCT right now so this shouldn't be a problem. So what issues are addressed by the tune and which are taken care of by FoCCCus settings?

One other question on parts. the fluid reservoir part is a bit pricey and as I understand it, on the MT, this reservoir is shared by the clutch and hydraulic brake system and thus has two output fittings. Could one just tap a port into the automatic's brake reservoir to serve this purpose?
 

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I have a line on an A-grade 5-speed tranny from a nearby salvage yard for only $150. I called about it today and they still need to pull it from the car for me but that is a good thing because I was able to tell them it was for a swap so they could also pull/save a bunch of other things I'll need. I asked for the entire shifter assembly and cables if possible, pedals, flywheel, fluid reservoir, rear tranny mount bracket, upper tranny mount bracket and the carrier bearing bracket for the CV. I wasn't talking to the boss but the guy I talked to sounded like they could just throw a lot of that in. He made it sound like they usually throw a lot of that stuff out because it doesn't pay to pull it. Makes sense because if you need a new transmission that you are replacing in-kind, you already have all of that stuff.
 

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Nice! Make sure you get the shifter assembly bracket too, I'm not sure if they'll consider to be apart of the assembly itself but that definitely greatly reduces the overall cost. [woot]
 

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Nice! Make sure you get the shifter assembly bracket too, I'm not sure if they'll consider to be apart of the assembly itself but that definitely greatly reduces the overall cost.
Yes, I asked for that too. Is the double shift cable clip in the engine bay (that bolts down) different for the manual? I didn't see that in the parts list.
 

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Welp, got everything swapped over and grounded the correct wire, but no start. Gonna try to track down the issue tomorrow, everything went smoothly for the most part but didn't realize until the tranny was in that the bracket that the shifter cables sit into ('CV6Z 7474 A') was not included with the transmission. Perhaps a junk yard will have a manual focus and this can be finished tomorrow
 

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Good news. The salvage yard just called and said they retrieved all of the transmission parts I need to do the swap. Basically, I asked for everything I need except for a new clutch kit and seals. I just placed an order on RockAuto for that, including a new rear main seal that I will probably just install since I'll have everything apart. The transmission was $150 and they said $200 for everything else. With a new part order of $138, I'm under $500 for everything. Hopefully they even got me the interior trim pieces. I'll also have to assess all of the hoses to make sure they came off in good shape. They were aware of what my project entailed so I'm hoping they were careful when necessary. We'll see when I pick it up.

EDIT: made the pick-up and for the most part, it went well. They gave me the tranny with a few brackets and a hose still attached. The rest was all in one big cardboard box so I had to quickly go through it to see if everything was there. It was evident that the CV axles were missing so I found one that was there lying in the floorboards of the doner car but the other one was trashed. The other thing missing was the carrier bearing bracket. They showed me where the engine was and I pointed it out and the guy unbolted it from the block. They gave me a few things I didn't ask for like the clutch kit and the upper tranny mount. Aside from that, all the nuts and bolts were just thrown in two containers so I have a lot of sorting to do. For what I paid though, I didn't expect anything more.
 
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