[focusdarko]

I want to lower my svt and want a stiffer ride but dont really want to spend $1000 on coilovers, so i was looking at the H&R cup kit and it says it has a stiff ride but lowers 2.5". Thats pretty darn low for my daily driving route, i was hoping to see if anyone has any problems with these when going over speed bumps or steep hills. any info is great.

 

[jetrinka]

They have the sport kit which lowers it real low and then the touring kit which is a bit higher. I would look at the touring kit.

 

[focusdarko]

that might be better, i remember seeing them on tirerack.com i would prefer the stiffer ride setup, which one you think would be stiffer.

 

[highrollenzx3]

sport

 

[metallicnotazx5]

Th€ sport is not very practical for daily driving. be prepared to rub with stock tire size which in turn will end up costing you even more money down the road running low profiles, easily bending wheels and such... Go with the touring. It is still a MASS improvment over stock

 

[HyBalz]

Mike, b16sir1991, has a great deal on kits from Hilbish Ford. Check out their forum.

 

[Insane]

If you want your ride to be stiffer then get bigger sway bars. My roush suspension is stiff enough as is, it has some body role but thats only when my tires are screaming at me.

 

[jetrinka]

Bigger swaybars won't really give you an stiffer of a ride unless you are going diagonally across speedbumps and such where one side of the suspension is much higher than the other.

They will reduce body roll to a point which is where a stiffer spring is necessary. If you are riding on soft springs then going around a corner quickly will compress the springs on one side rather easily. This coupled with a big swaybar induces inside wheel lift and is not really a good thing. Now that same bar coupled with stiffer springs works well. The reason being is because the springs won't compress nearly as much with the same force applied and therefore won't be lifting that inside tire as easily.

This is assuming that the tires are absolutely awesome of course.

 

[j-zetec_pr]

I have the H&R Sport cup kit.

Here is my review:

It is low. Probably lower than you will go with any suspension this side of coilovers. Still, my tires don't rub with either 205/55/16 or 205/50/16.
The ride is stiff and the handling is pretty much incredible.
The ride is stiff. I said that twice on purpose. but with trade of some comfort, the car will go through any curve you want to put it.
I have no problem admitting that I reach my limit before the suspension does.

I got this kit because I wanted the best handling and lowest drop possible without spending over a grand on coilovers and I got it from thetirerack.

It's the best mod on my car. Definitely worth it.

Soon it will be complemented by the H&R sway bars.

 

[Insane]

Turning quickly around a turn is "like" going over a speed bump diagonally. I was just trying to give him a good idea to what really makes a car stiff. The springs do make it stiffer, just not like a 25mm sway would. I would imagine if he put a 25mm rear sway bar and a 22 front with his stock suspension he would be pretty happy. If not then at least he has the sway bars taken care of. You should really look into trying to get a roush kit. It's low (1.75 drop) but its not so low that you have to worry about your car.

 

[jetrinka]

When I hear stiff ride I ususally think of ride quality which is probably where we are different.

That being said if he puts big swaybars on soft springs he won't have anything but a bad time. Its actually worse this way because again a big bar with a soft spring lifts the inside tire during a turn reducing the overall tire contact with the road making the car less stable with less traction to power out of the turn. Thats all I am saying.

If he were to go with big swaybars plus the H&R cup kit I seriously doubt he would be disappointed.

 

[1-ST]

Also, big sways and soft springs will feel amazingly mushy in a straight line, like the stock setup. Stiffer springs will control squat and nose dive, which are also important for any performance driving. That means faster around a corner, more traction in a straight line, and better braking. Big sways on soft springs will create a very annoying see-saw feel.
Besides all that, he said he wants to lower it.

 

[focusdarko]

i am aware that stiffer sway bars will help with my cornering but the main reason i want stiffer springs is i dont like the car to feel like its bouncing on bumps and through turns. and a stiff ride is not what im afraid of, i have recaros to keep me comfy enough. i've driven multiple times in my buddies gti with real stiff koni coilovers and you feel every bump and crevice on the road and the thing handles like on rails. And the roush kit is kinda useless because i have a svt and its low enough.
will the touring kit be stiffer than the sport, usually sport is for show and touring for track, am i right?

 

[highrollenzx3]

no usually touring is a little less performance and more comfort sport more performance less comfort

 

[jetrinka]

Try pairing some Eibach pro springs with some KYB or Koni yellow dampers. A good drop, decent spring rate, and some pretty darn stiff and adjustable dampers.

 

[Insane]

When I hear stiff ride I ususally think of ride quality which is probably where we are different.

That being said if he puts big swaybars on soft springs he won't have anything but a bad time. Its actually worse this way because again a big bar with a soft spring lifts the inside tire during a turn reducing the overall tire contact with the road making the car less stable with less traction to power out of the turn. Thats all I am saying.

If he were to go with big swaybars plus the H&R cup kit I seriously doubt he would be disappointed.

Ahh ok ive gotcha. I didn't know about the whole lifting the wheel up part, but now that i think about it, it makes sense!

I know he diff wouldnt be disapointed with the cup kit and bigger sways. I was just trying to come up with a less expensive option.

 

[focusdarko]

well i also want to compliment it with the Steeda 28.6mm sway bar, its big and you've heard the saying "go big or go home" plus its the lowest price out of the sways.

 

[jetrinka]

Well if you are going to do this you better be riding on some seriously stiff springs. Like coilovers or something and also compliment it with a bigger front swaybar as well. Like the 24mm H&R from focussport. That big of a rear bar without proper balancing of the suspension is likely to create more oversteer than you would care for especially in DD. You better make sure your tires are up for the job as well. On cars, bigger is not always better at all.

Edit: Keep in mind as well that you can have the beefiest suspension in the world but if your tires are crap, it won't mean a thing.

 

[Insane]

^^ Your tires sidewall may not be able to deal with the stress..

 

[j-zetec_pr]

the touring kit has softer springs