Ok well I will tell you first hand now.. You are very correct about the research part.. I think that you need to do some yourself.. I had an aerocharger that was tuned and it still blew up.. I would guess it will be a matter of time before you start to see smoke coming out of the wrong places.. I could be wrong but all fingers seem to point in that direction if you havent figured that out.. Tom is by far the best seller of turbo's for the zetec and duratech motors.. His kits are tried and true.. He also hapens to be one of the best if not the best source for information on turbocharging the ford focus.. I say good luck with no tuning.. You are a brave man.. I hope that you don't end up in the same situation I am in right now.. Bottom line is that Gude may be cheaper and have great claims but anybody who has been around for awhile can tell you that it is not a gude move.. Save your money and do it right the first time.. ZIf you need search on FJ or on here.. But FJ seems to have a little more FI info so do a search and you will see..As far as Tom's Turbo vs. Gude vs. any other turbo kit....It's just the same as Chevy vs. Ford vs. any other make out there. Some prefer one car and some guys prefer another.....it's an age old argument.....get over it because Testosterone isn't going to make your Car or Turbo any better. However, price, looks, and quality will. If Gude is so bad, let them deal with it and start reading the Better Business Reports. Leave people that have Gude Turbo kits alone. These people are just customers and chances are they aren't going to make a choice in products because of what somebody says on an internet Forum. If they do, they are definately the ones to end up with a blown engine. You must and most definately have to do better research than reading internet forums.
*Claps Hands* Well put. [thumb]1turbofocus said:I suppose the word "tuned" is what gets your panties in a wad.
*Not at all my panties are not in a wada at all my point was dont tell people by reading one book and buying a gude kit that they will be fine and good to go and there car is tuned
Ok, can I go out on the street and win competition after competion? No!
*You could with a decent turbo kit
Can I put some serious juice into my daily driving car and get alot of attention at the local hang out or auto clubs? Yes!
*Yes true but you could do this and open many more eyes by saying i did X HP/TQ and did an impressive 1/4-1/4 Road Track ,I have seen many people gauk at cars with just a lot of boltons or just a jrsc so saying that does not say much to me any way
Will the Gude Kit Turn heads as you ride by Rod Runs? Yes!!
*A good looking car alone will do that
Do I enjoy racking up speeding ticket after speeding ticket? No!
*Good that makes 2 of us havent had a speeding ticket in 5 years , But what does that have to do with buying a crappy turbo kit , You can get speeding tickets with a stock Focus
What is the actual truth in anything you read on the internet anyways? About 99.9% is BS and the rest is what you have found out on your own.
*Not at all i dont beleive 99.9 % of what is on this sofum is BS at all, So is 99.9% of all the good stuff you are saying about the gude turbo kit BS ?
According to legitimate resources within the Automotive industry. Nothing has ever been tracked down to engineering problems with the Gude Turbo Kits.
*Sorry but i feel i am a ligitimate resource for the Focus community and yes , It is proven by many people the the waste gate over boost`s at times , The down pipe is to small, there advertised 280HP can never be done with out major over spool of the turbo, Sucking in all the under hood hot air is a very bad thing , there is no PROPER tuning , ALL of this is engineering problems , Shall i go on
By the way. I definately do not claim to know more about anything than others posting on this forum and I am full aware I have like 5 posts compared to others with hundreds. Yes, I'm a rookie and proud of it. I only have one way to go...on top....where as when you are already on the top, the only way to go is down.
*Boy im glad im not on top ! Where do you come up with this stuff and more than that do you realy beleive everything you say?
I can tell you this much though, no one is 100% full on free of errors with automive parts manufacturing and no one is 100% free of errors in building a car...VW, BMW, Chevrolet, Ford and others have all had recalls on their automobiles through-out the years and some within all auto companies have had things go wrong that should have been fixed but the end result screwed the customer. Mistakes are going to be made and engines can blow up anytime you take one over manufacture specs. Sometimes without doing anything to the engine they can detonate.
*NO,NO Were not talking "errors" or "Mistakes" we are talking BLATANT just have not fixed the problems for over 4 years and knowing there was problems , I talked to Bill my self and offered him proper tuning in 2000 but he refused to go that direction because it would up the cost of the kit
Just look to some of the Pro teams on different racing circuits...if there was a computer out there that could save your engine from detonation 100% of the time...don't you think NASCAR and other circuits would invest heavily into such devices? Forced Induction or not. You don't need to get a Turbo to apply that type of technology. Also, don't you think they know what a "Tuned" engine is?
*I am not talking a unit that will 100% save your engine all the time there isnt one but at least add or offer proper tuning (large enough injectors to handle the boost with a broper mass air to have enough room and some form of PCM controle to make it all work)
Or is it that anyone without a "Toms" Turbo kit doesn't know what a "Tuned" engine is? End of story.
*Not at all there is many options out there not for proper tuning ,Find one and use it
I mean look, I'm sure you all are great guys and everything, and I hope I don't come off to hard here...... (what kind of welcome is that anyways?)
But Jesus, the Pro Teams have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in their engines and they do blow them up even without turbochargers. These devices would be very helpfull in Formula One Racing and I am aware that these chips and units are used in Off-road racing. But they ARE NOT 100% ACCURATE.
* Suse they do but there engines are pushed to the max with compression and on the ragged edge anyway day and night between there engines and yours that with proper tuning and a quality kit should run for 75,000 miles
As far as Tom's Turbo vs. Gude vs. any other turbo kit....It's just the same as Chevy vs. Ford vs. any other make out there. Some prefer one car and some guys prefer another.....it's an age old argument.....get over it because Testosterone isn't going to make your Car or Turbo any better. However, price, looks, and quality will. If Gude is so bad, let them deal with it and start reading the Better Business Reports. Leave people that have Gude Turbo kits alone. These people are just customers and chances are they aren't going to make a choice in products because of what somebody says on an internet Forum. If they do, they are definately the ones to end up with a blown engine. You must and most definately have to do better research than reading internet forums.
If it turns out my engine goes and I look to get another.....most likely it won't be a "Toms" Turbo simply by what I have read on this forum, (although the website does have a cool flash intro).
The whole point of my post here is, you don't go to a Chevrolet dealer and see them bashing you or your car because it's a Ford do you? No you don't, and you also don't see them recruiting their butt-buddies to bash a potential customer and try to seduce them into buying a new car. Anyone to use such tactics is just asking to get reamed a new a-hole by their boss.
*I dont agree it isnt a Ford vs Chevy because they both make a good reliable car and in differant types but in most cases a quality piece and that is just not the case between focus-power and a gude kit
*It all comes down to what do you want for your car a second rate turbo so you have bragging rights at the local car shows " hay i got a turbo Focus" or the best quality turbo kit for your car, lifetime warranty on every part i make with a unconditional 1 year warranty on the turbo a kit that will make from 180HP to 320 out of the same kit and you cant get that from gude at 2 times the cost
*It all comes down to you get what you pay for
Ok, good luck with your turbo and I hope for you that your engine holds up.. Good luck..I am not talking a unit that will 100% save your engine all the time there isnt one but at least add or offer proper tuning (large enough injectors to handle the boost with a broper mass air to have enough room and some form of PCM controle to make it all work)
Ok, I won't tell you what I don't know.. I will just say once again good luck.. Sounds like you still have a bit of work to iron out the wrinkles before you should be telling people this system works well.. But that is just my opinion.. So once again hope everything works out for you..5 PSI which is very tame.....later I will upgrade the auto. Don't even pretend the Auto won't handle that 5 PSI. I figure it's only somewhere around 187 ft/lbs if that