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After 3 1/2 years and 52,000 miles of near nonstop headaches, hassles and horsecrap my 2012 Focus is finally gone. Traded it in yesterday on a 6spd 2014 Honda Accord Sport with just over 17,000 miles on the clock.

It's a real shame things went the way they did with my Focus. So much unrealized potential there. I'm very happy to be back in the Honda family and look forward to a long and uneventful relationship with my Accord.

Best of luck to all of you and your Ford automobiles!
 

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You'll enjoy the Honda, my other car is a '99 Accord with manual transmission. The only issue with the newer (post '04?) Accords is that a new clutch runs around $2,000 since they have to pull the engine. That being said, my '99 has 160,000 miles on it, the original clutch is still going strong. Solid car.

I looked up some of your old posts and saw that you went through three radiators, had a seat issue, and some transmission issue. In your opinion is the '12 Focus notorious for bad quality, or were you dealt a lemon?
 

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You'll enjoy the Honda, my other car is a '99 Accord with manual transmission. The only issue with the newer (post '04?) Accords is that a new clutch runs around $2,000 since they have to pull the engine. That being said, my '99 has 160,000 miles on it, the original clutch is still going strong. Solid car.

I looked up some of your old posts and saw that you went through three radiators, had a seat issue, and some transmission issue. In your opinion is the '12 Focus notorious for bad quality, or were you dealt a lemon?
I had a definite lemon. They replaced the short block a year ago as well. The thing was going through a quart of oil every 800 miles.

Lots of problems with these things overall. If I had it to do over I would have never purchased my Focus. I gave Ford a shot and it bit me in the butt.
 

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I had a definite lemon. They replaced the short block a year ago as well. The thing was going through a quart of oil every 800 miles.

Lots of problems with these things overall. If I had it to do over I would have never purchased my Focus. I gave Ford a shot and it bit me in the butt.
Anyone coming from imports and giving Ford a shot would be well advised to choose one that's been in production for a couple of years. I've owned mostly Ford vehicles but even I admit buying the first year of a new generation is risky.

I understand the Focus's DCT issues because it's a relatively new technology. But I'll never understand why the '12 Focus had so many problems with front struts and steering. Those should've been pretty well established technologies by the time the '12 came out.

And anyone buying a '15 F150 with the 2.7 EcoBoost is just asking for trouble IMHO.
 

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Anyone coming from imports and giving Ford a shot would be well advised to choose one that's been in production for a couple of years. I've owned mostly Ford vehicles but even I admit buying the first year of a new generation is risky.

I understand the Focus's DCT issues because it's a relatively new technology. But I'll never understand why the '12 Focus had so many problems with front struts and steering. Those should've been pretty well established technologies by the time the '12 came out.

And anyone buying a '15 F150 with the 2.7 EcoBoost is just asking for trouble IMHO.
That's the thing, the stuff I had issues with should not have been an issue, period. I avoid the DCT and the My Ford Touch to avoid those problems and still got stuck with a lousy car. Struts and strut bearings replaced multiple time, lower control arms, two failed radiators in 52,000 miles, an engine that changed it's own oil. Should have never had these issues no matter how new of a model it was.
 

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And anyone buying a '15 F150 with the 2.7 EcoBoost is just asking for trouble IMHO.
They gave me a 2015 Platinum FX4 F150 as a loaner the last time I was at the dealership and when they sent one of the lot boys to come pick it up he was telling me they have an overheating issue. He's had to get towed 3 times driving the new f150
 

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That's the thing, the stuff I had issues with should not have been an issue, period. I avoid the DCT and the My Ford Touch to avoid those problems and still got stuck with a lousy car. Struts and strut bearings replaced multiple time, lower control arms, two failed radiators in 52,000 miles, an engine that changed it's own oil. Should have never had these issues no matter how new of a model it was.
The strut and steering issues were design issues that were fixed with TSBs. But my question is, why were they design issues in the first place? Struts have been around forever and shouldn't have been that much different than the last gen Focus. Electric steering is newer but wasn't introduced with the Mk3 Focus.

Your radiator and engine issues weren't design related since very few other folks have had the problem (using this forum as a guide). You just had plain ole' bad luck it sounds like.

They gave me a 2015 Platinum FX4 F150 as a loaner the last time I was at the dealership and when they sent one of the lot boys to come pick it up he was telling me they have an overheating issue. He's had to get towed 3 times driving the new f150
Not surprised. I like Ford but they sure don't seem to get all the kinks worked out in new model testing.
 

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Meh, Honda's may be reliable but don't have enough "soul" for me... have to rev way up to get power and just don't handle as well... But if I got a total lemon like you did, I don't blame you OP... Ford's are great cars overall, you just got a lemon. The wife's next car will be a Mazda6 or Fusion, we'll never go with a Honda/Toyota sheep-mobile...
 

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Meh, Honda's may be reliable but don't have enough "soul" for me... have to rev way up to get power and just don't handle as well... But if I got a total lemon like you did, I don't blame you OP... Ford's are great cars overall, you just got a lemon. The wife's next car will be a Mazda6 or Fusion, we'll never go with a Honda/Toyota sheep-mobile...
I hear ya, but it's hard to get much soul out of any massed produced vehicle. I will say that the 6spd in my Sport makes for a very engaging and enjoyable driving experience.

I'd beg to differ on the having to rev way up to get power argument. The Accord makes its' peak horsepower at 6,400 rpm (100 rpm lower than the Focus) and it's peak torque at just 3,900 rpm (a full 550 rpm lower than the Focus).

Personally I just don't see the Sport with the 6spd as a sheep mobile. JMO of course.

Best of luck with whichever vehicle you and the wife purchase next! Take care!
 

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I hear ya, but it's hard to get much soul out of any massed produced vehicle. I will say that the 6spd in my Sport makes for a very engaging and enjoyable driving experience.

I'd beg to differ on the having to rev way up to get power argument. The Accord makes its' peak horsepower at 6,400 rpm (100 rpm lower than the Focus) and it's peak torque at just 3,900 rpm (a full 550 rpm lower than the Focus).

Personally I just don't see the Sport with the 6spd as a sheep mobile. JMO of course.

Best of luck with whichever vehicle you and the wife purchase next! Take care!
Hey, thanks for the reasonable reply.... I'm sure the 6-speed sport will be a great car and isn't exactly the same as a non-sport sedan you see all day long... I guess I'm just used to going for more of the "underdog" brand and the way Ford and Mazda's handle... is that the V6 or 4 in yours?
 

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Hey, thanks for the reasonable reply.... I'm sure the 6-speed sport will be a great car and isn't exactly the same as a non-sport sedan you see all day long... I guess I'm just used to going for more of the "underdog" brand and the way Ford and Mazda's handle... is that the V6 or 4 in yours?
No problem, kind of uncommon to get a reasonable reply on the 'net, isn't it? Anyway, the Sport is a 4. An EX 6 was just too far outside the budget I set.
 

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No problem, kind of uncommon to get a reasonable reply on the 'net, isn't it? Anyway, the Sport is a 4. An EX 6 was just too far outside the budget I set.
And with a 2.4L and 6-speed that should work nicely... I know Ford screwed up by trusting that the Getrag DCT was fully ready, did you consider a Fusion or Mazda6? Or at least the Mazda since you're pissed at Ford?

Edit: Oops, forgot you didn't have the DCT, problems with everything else... ouch... so weird, you definitely got hit the BAD lottery on that one...
 

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And with a 2.4L and 6-speed that should work nicely... I know Ford screwed up by trusting that the Getrag DCT was fully ready, did you consider a Fusion or Mazda6? Or at least the Mazda since you're pissed at Ford?

Edit: Oops, forgot you didn't have the DCT, problems with everything else... ouch... so weird, you definitely got hit the BAD lottery on that one...
I didn't consider anything other than Honda. I've had my best luck with Honda's and sadly my Focus experience pushed me back. I really wanted things to go well with my Focus. Just wasn't to be.
 

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DougC,

I had almost the exact same experience as you. I went from a 2006 Civic to the Focus (only because the Civic was totaled in an accident). Initially I loved the Focus. A few months in I had issues with the DCT that were never resolved. It got so bad the car became undriveable and Ford would no longer work on it. I managed to get a buy back through the Canadian CAMVAP program, but it was a long process and very stressful. I remember the feeling of relief when we were finally rid of it. It's such a shame, because except for the transmission problems, my wife and I really liked that car.

We now have a CRV and couldn't be happier. This is primarily my wife's car. If it was mine, I would have bought a new Accord Sport with the manual exactly as you did. Car and Driver raved about it during their long term test, calling it "The everyman's sport sedan". The V6 doesn't seem necessary considering the 4 cylinder does 0-60 in 6.6 seconds, especially for the price difference.

Enjoy your car. You picked a good one.
 

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After 3 1/2 years and 52,000 miles of near nonstop headaches, hassles and horsecrap my 2012 Focus is finally gone. Traded it in yesterday on a 6spd 2014 Honda Accord Sport with just over 17,000 miles on the clock.

It's a real shame things went the way they did with my Focus. So much unrealized potential there. I'm very happy to be back in the Honda family and look forward to a long and uneventful relationship with my Accord.

Best of luck to all of you and your Ford automobiles!
Congrats on the Honda. A buddy of mine got one and I had the chance to drive in it. Its nice. My understanding is that you should get the same MPG as the Focus which is cool given the fact that it is roomier inside.
 

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DougC,

I had almost the exact same experience as you. I went from a 2006 Civic to the Focus (only because the Civic was totaled in an accident). Initially I loved the Focus. A few months in I had issues with the DCT that were never resolved. It got so bad the car became undriveable and Ford would no longer work on it. I managed to get a buy back through the Canadian CAMVAP program, but it was a long process and very stressful. I remember the feeling of relief when we were finally rid of it. It's such a shame, because except for the transmission problems, my wife and I really liked that car.

We now have a CRV and couldn't be happier. This is primarily my wife's car. If it was mine, I would have bought a new Accord Sport with the manual exactly as you did. Car and Driver raved about it during their long term test, calling it "The everyman's sport sedan". The V6 doesn't seem necessary considering the 4 cylinder does 0-60 in 6.6 seconds, especially for the price difference.

Enjoy your car. You picked a good one.
Sorry to hear about your experience. I'm glad your in a happy place car wise now! So far I am loving the Sport and I'd have to agree with C&D.

Congrats on the Honda. A buddy of mine got one and I had the chance to drive in it. Its nice. My understanding is that you should get the same MPG as the Focus which is cool given the fact that it is roomier inside.
From what I've seen so far it should be right on pace with my Focus. Not bad for a bigger, heavier (400 or so pounds) and more powerful car.
 

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Congrats on the Honda. A buddy of mine got one and I had the chance to drive in it. Its nice. My understanding is that you should get the same MPG as the Focus which is cool given the fact that it is roomier inside.
There IS about a 3 MPG difference on the freeway, but not bad at all for a bigger car that's quicker too... the more I read about it, the more I'm impressed... I'd rather have a Fusion with the Ecoboost 2.0 that gets the same mileage but that is a lot more money too.
 

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I looked at the Accord Sport w/manual when I bought my Focus. One issue I had was no leather and no sat radio in the 2013. Is that still the case? Nice looking car but ot in the same class as the Focus ..quite a bit different.
 

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I looked at the Accord Sport w/manual when I bought my Focus. One issue I had was no leather and no sat radio in the 2013. Is that still the case? Nice looking car but ot in the same class as the Focus ..quite a bit different.
That is still the case. Luckily for me I didn't want either of them so things worked out. [8D] Two very different classes for sure.
 

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I had a civic back in 2008, it was fantastic! I also had a 1999 ford escort that ran flawless for 120k til I gave it to my sister. That is the reason I considered ford when needed a new dd. Id love a new civic or accord.
 
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