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Ok so I'm lookin to give the TonxMobile a bit more kick. While it has been suggested that I upgrade my suspension next, I'd much (MUCH) rather give it a little more power to play with. Just screwin around on the streets I get scorched by other I4 cars too much for my liking, and lets not start on the V6s and V8s...

I'd like to purchase a performance ECU chip (diablosport sounded cool, but I think that FocusSport's could be better attuned to my vehicle so I'm leaning towards them), but at the same time would it not be a waste to get that now and then do further upgrades (requiring retuning)? I just think the Rev Limiter, Speed Governer, and my ATX's laxed shifting methods are putting a nasty damper on getting my speed fix. Yeah, I know ATX. [xx(]

However, forgetting the chip for now, I'm also definatly open to upgrading my engine's exhaust components.

I'd like to start with headers, but with my SPI Engine it definatly is confusing trying to find something that'd work better than stock. I'm also interested in a new intake (should this come before headers(?), I don't really know what to tweak first. Also, since money is still the limiting factor for me right now, as a temporary fix to getting a new Cat-back system would a muffler delete be benefitial to me at all, since that would most likely be the last of the three parts I would purchase - or should the Cat-back come first?

Also, I know this is going to sound ridiculous to you guys but what is the big difference between the 200-400 dollar intakes and the 50-80 dollar ones? Same goes for cat-back? Obviously there is a quality difference, but what in God's name makes an AEM Shorty Intake worth 420 bucks? Its a shiney tube... How bad can a 80 dollar CAI (a less shiney tube) off ebay be? --Bring on the Flames as this n00bs about to get charred--

Although I'd love to mess with my cams and all that nonsense, I need to preserve my low RPM power for driving around school looking for damn parking (I hate parking... takes 30 minutes litterally.) That pretty much cuts a few engine tweaks out since I do drive my car for transportation purposes also.

Eventually I'd like to screw around with a Turbo of some sort. With computers I'm so comfortable that I can make pretty much anything work in/with anything... but with cars I'm always too pansyish to screw around with it (partly because my saftey is more dependant on my car.) Still, once I become more comfortable these Turbo/Superchargers look extremely interesting, although NOS seems a bit too volatile and flashy.

Just keep in mind that I love my car but I know it's not any real force to be reconed with. It's my toy, and while I'd love to spend more than it's worth on ridiculously overpriced engine upgrades, I really cannot and will not allocate that much money into a $17k car.

What do you all think? Say with an initial allowance of $500ish, where should I start? How should I start? I'm really dumb about this crap (trying to learn) but you could tell me to go to the Tashi Station and pick up some power converters and the only way I'd know you weren't talking about cars is cuz I've seen Star Wars...

Thanks in advance, guys!
 

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i think you and i are a lot alike, i would start with an intake. the more expensive ones generally have better filters, but i noticed a difference in mine, which ran me about $80 from f2 focus performance. the cat-back is a worthwhile upgrade, as would be new spark plugs, wires & such.
 

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wait on the headers, a few guys are ontop of it right now trying to figure out the combo to make a good header to flex to catback exhuast, i am waiting for them to figure it out.

also a tune for the ATX is a must, i dont have one, but a few guys with spi auto says its a great investment, improves everything all around.

wayne from hypillauto.com has a really good tune for the spi, which is woho i will get mine from

and yes a turbo is all that can save the spi from its slowness lol, i know i know i love my spi but with all bolt ones your lucky to push 120whp right?
 

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Ya I hear you on the Turbo...

Problem is for ATX as I understand the stock tranny cannot handle a turbo's output? So then a $300-600 project turns into a $3500+ project (without professional installation - which I'd prolly need.)

Then also to get anything out of the turbo I'd still need to give my engine some breathing space so I'd need the intake and catback regaurdless... and also wouldn't better header's make a huge difference in performance with a turbo, like even bigger than the catback? If thats the case then a $3500 car-gutting and no header replacement would be kinda ridiculous, no?

Now when you say Tune do you mean modding my ECU with a Flasher? I don't even know where a Dyno or legit Ford Tuner Shop (that would release my governer, limiter, and screw with my shifting) around here is, so unless I could figure out how to find one, I'm pretty much stuck with buying a Flasher or a Chip... Which would be a better investment?
 

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^about the flasher, wayne has xcal 2's with tunes on them, for 379 bucks, it adjusts your shift points on the auto, increases the rev limiter, takes off rear o2 sensor and fwe other things


http://hypillauto.com/ is his website where u can look at forums or his products
um for turbo no need for header, custom manifold and down pipe is all you need, but yea auto sucks cuz you need to upgrade tranny and such, turbo+tranny upgrade is around prolly 2500-3000, i was gonna do it, but i didnt get the turbo off ebay, so im just gonna do NA and maybe hit 120whp and like i dunno lots more tq lols

heres what i want to do

header/flex/catback all at 2.25 inches
tune
UDP
CAI i have sri and think that cai would work better adn give better gains
also other misc stuff but thats just engine stuff, really thats about all you can do
i have new plugs wiers and coilpack so
 

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Hmmm.

Ok I found this weaker SuperCharger (seems almost like just a blower) that pumps about 2 more PSI into the SPI --

Supercharger w/ Cold Air Intake 00-up Focus SOHC / DOHC

-- Now this ~$200 kit not only comes with the blower, but gives a $80 CAI along with the package. While 2PSI is rather pansish, a mere %13 boost in intake (and even less when the car is going quick), it's feasable that this kit could work without causing stress on the stock ATX.

Obviously the Turbo's a relative piece of crap, and the CAI isn't going to be perfect, but hell it'd be fun, and for that price (and the fact that I hopefully wouldnt have to screw with the tranny) it'd actually be well worth it!

That'd actually leave me enough money to try that XCal2 and still stay within $500 range.
What do ya'll think about that sort of product there? With that Supercharger and a tune (especially in the ATX's shifting department) would that not be reasonably good upgrade for that price?
 

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do not buy the fracking electric supercharger it is complete shit
 

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^lol thanks arrest me, i say get the tune and a UDP(under drive pulley from http://escortfocus.com/ they have the 25 and 50 percent udp, um if you go with 50 dont plan on havin stereo and extra accesories, also if you sit in traffic often youll mos tlikely die

get the 25 percent udp which is 109 a belt from carquest which is like 15-20 bucks
tune from wayne 379

and thats your 500 bucks there
 

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^ooo and ill be ordering that same stuff in a day or so as well lol, and youll prolly net the most from those two mods, maybe 10whp maybe
 

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i can't wait to get my intake, exahust, ORP, xcal, and cam

i'm thinking maybe 20 whp if not 30!
 

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zal u got a tune, thatll wrap em all together ina nice lil package and net u a few more horsies out of all them
 

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=\ Average HP gain by their tests was 15%.... ROFL!! Ok so I know thats not a very reliable source... but I really don't feel like spending that much on a tranny just so I can get a turbo.

Even if this only gives a 5% gains it'd still be worth it for 200 bucks... Only one person answered my question and all the said was don't buy it, it's sh!tty. Obviously if its electrical, it's not gonna be very strong in relative terms (especially to a Root Super) but I can't do relatively strong anyways without stressing my ATX. The feedback for this guy is actually quite good and I'm actually pretty interested in this sort of thing.
 

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you'll be lucky if that thing last more then a few days, but i dunno its a waste of 200 bucks

my thought is go with the UDP and the tune, best net gains, and i dont know how it could give u 15 percent gain, but if you buy it and it works good, let me know cuz maybe ill try it as well....actually no cuz yea electric is what makes it shitty.....
 

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you'll be lucky if you see gains for any amount of time, don't do it man, its worthless!

and klondike i had an Xcal on that list!
 

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Ya your almost definatly right Zal. =\

Just seemed tempting =)

Obviously it would have been a temp sorta deal till i figured out what I'm actually going to do, but im sure it'd be fun for like a week and a half. XD

About a UDP, it essentially just makes everything in the engine spin slower (almost like shifting down, but for the accessories) so that the engine has more power to use on the drivetrain, correct?

I have a pretty thirsty soundsystem - 900 watt hold, 1100 watt thump, 1400 watt hit Alpine Amp with 2 12"s. When I'm blasting that, it no doubt uses more energy than initially anticipated for the alternator, but as it stands now I've had absolutely 0 problems (as would be expected.) If i switch to a 50% UDP that may no longer be the case, especially if I'm idoling alot with music on.

What exact are the benefits/ramifications of upping my idol RPMs a bit? Would getting a tune to up the RPMs help counterbalance anything or just cancel it all out and fry my engine quicker?

I love my sound system, and I'd really rather not have to forfit it right now... Am I stuck with a 25%?
 

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electric superchargers just don't work short of a Thomas Knight Electric Super Charger, which is a blower like a M62 Eaton connected to some starter motors, very inefficent, only works for shoot burst kind of like nitrous. Electric superchargers like those on ebay are nothing but bilge pump motors that do not make 2psi, they don't even make enough cubic feet of air to overcome vacum in 99.9998 % of them. For $200 you can buy a basic used Nitrous kit, that is something that actually gets you HP. With an auto tranny use a 35-50hp wet shot. Don't cheap out and go dry.
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Thomas Knight is my Uncle.... rofl...

And no thats not a retarded "your mom" sorta thing... Annnnyways... Maybe I should give him a call... Probobly should have talked to him more. [B)]
 

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a 25 percent udp will be fine even with your system, its a great mod and yes it frees up extra power which is used to give you more hp, i ordered one last night, or two nights ago?
 

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^ i'm not really convinced of the UDP's effects, maybe if i'm looking for a little more power in my setup in a few years
 

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Heres the thing... Just about EVERYTHING on ebay says it increases horsepower and torque by ridiculously numbers. Now I know you then say, well don't buy from Ebay.

While its true that there are some legitimate stores outthere (including online ones) alot of them end up selling the same exact crap. The fact that FocusSport (pretty legit) has UDPs on it boosts it's legitimacy in my mind up some, but at $100 for a small round pulley, I'm somehow still feeling screwed.

That can be when using Ebay CAN come in handy. When people (and small businesses) don't have the power to essentially get their word out, they'll sell for fractions of the price (sometimes legitimatly, too.) I guess its similar to buying an AEM Intake vs an Ebay one. You know its not as good as AEMs, but with your AEM purchase your paying a TON just for the name, which in my case I do not consider it worth it.

Its very hard (especially for me) to sift through the innumerable number of total bullsh!t auctions on Ebay. It doesn't make it too much easier, though, when the general idea is "if its too cheap, its obviously crap."

The Turbonator-type product is a pretty good example, as there are similar products on Ebay promising 25% increases in WHP and 30% increase in milage with a Magnet + Immoble Turbine. Thats obviously horse crap. But the sellers of these items all have ridiculous 98-99% positive feedbacks -- alot of comments indicating that the product was well worth the cost.

Theres tons of similar chip mods that also have similar good feedback. Its rather funny because the mods that do look somewhat legitimate have LOWER feedbacks... perhaps because only more knowledgeable people buy them, I'm not sure. There also the resistor set that just f-cks your air temperature sensor into thinking it's cold. Seems to make more sense, but then wouldn't actually improve much.

Obviously these items don't do all that they say, but at litterally 10 dollars (after shipping) a pop, who the hell even knows? Have any of you tried it? =)

Anyways, I think I'm just going to gradually work my way up to a Turbo, as its the only thing that comes recommended just about everywhere.
 
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