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Like many of you I own a 2013 Focus with DCT and have been experiencing problems; in my case, severe problems. After 1 year of these ongoing issues, I'm considering replacing the car for a model that doesn't have the DCT. However in reading the specs for the Fusion, I noticed that some of the models refer to a 6 speed transmission with selectable electronic gear shifting either on the gear shifter or with paddle shifters. My question is, is this the same transmission that's in my Focus, or a totally different tranny? At this point, I'm looking for a traditional tranny with a torque converter. I'm over the dual clutch set-up.
 

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Totally different tranny. Fusion's has a TQ.

You know, you could go totally crazy like me and take a chance on another DCT that was built correctly from the factory (instead of multiple dealer "fixes"). Worked out in my case, of course your mileage may vary.
 

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Or wait for the 2015+ focus models
 

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It appears the '15s will have the exact same DCT. Plus financially you're probably better off with a heavily discounted '14 over a lightly discounted '15.
While doing my tri-monthly ride with my dealer tech in order to get my car fixed i asked why ford was keeping the dct with the new 2015 focus and he said something along the lines of..."its the same transmission but has a torque converter implemented this time around" Not sure if this is true but if it is, could be the difference maker with these cars.
 

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While doing my tri-monthly ride with my dealer tech in order to get my car fixed i asked why ford was keeping the dct with the new 2015 focus and he said something along the lines of..."its the same transmission but has a torque converter implemented this time around" Not sure if this is true but if it is, could be the difference maker with these cars.
Haven't seen any other rumors on this and I don't recall the recent Getrag publications even hinting at this. But could be a very well kept secret. I have speculated that a big change to the DCT was the reason they're waiting so long to put the '15 on dealer lots.
 

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Haven't seen any other rumors on this and I don't recall the recent Getrag publications even hinting at this. But could be a very well kept secret. I have speculated that a big change to the DCT was the reason they're waiting so long to put the '15 on dealer lots.
If they do do that maybe some of the folks with constant issues can get theirs replaced with the new model. Gotta be cheaper than constant visits to the dealers to get them fixed.
 

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Honda’s “TC-DCT” is the only dual-clutch transmission with torque converter.
Getrag is moving away from the dry dual clutch and all development in dual clutch applications is being spent on wet dual clutch.
Getrag has said they made some adjustments to their dry clutches, for example by offering improved software, new clutch materials, and by using more dual-mass flywheels.

Get the Fusion, the transmission in the Fusion I drove while in Canada worked great.

Ford Europe will be using the same transmission (6F) from the Fusion & Escape, in the 2015 Focus equipped with the 1.5L EcoBoost and 1.0L 125hp EcoBoost engines.
 

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As the new 2015 Focus is coming from Germany to MX, I was told the transmission will be different as well... With zero issues
 

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While doing my tri-monthly ride with my dealer tech in order to get my car fixed i asked why ford was keeping the dct with the new 2015 focus and he said something along the lines of..."its the same transmission but has a torque converter implemented this time around" Not sure if this is true but if it is, could be the difference maker with these cars.
This would be a major redesign - the added width of the torque converter alone would mean a whole new gearbox would be required. And none of the car magazine test drives of 2015 models has mentioned it. So I suspect, as usual, dealer techs really don't have a clue...
 

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This would be a major redesign - the added width of the torque converter alone would mean a whole new gearbox would be required. And none of the car magazine test drives of 2015 models has mentioned it. So I suspect, as usual, dealer techs really don't have a clue...
I don't understand why Ford still want a Getrag DCT in their focus... just slap a slushbox in the 2015 and call it a day jeez!

After all, it's Getrag that give a bad name to the current focus gen!
 

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As the new 2015 Focus is coming from Germany to MX, I was told the transmission will be different as well... With zero issues
Not likely unless it no longer comes with the 2.0 L GDI engine.
 

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Well, here's an update. The dealer replaced the clutches today and I drove the car home from the dealer. Only time will tell if this fixes the problem for good. If not, then I'll be looking to replace it with another model. The top 2 choices would be either the Fusion or the new Mazda 6.
 

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I don't understand why Ford still want a Getrag DCT in their focus... just slap a slushbox in the 2015 and call it a day jeez!

After all, it's Getrag that give a bad name to the current focus gen!
Mostly probably for fuel economy. And Getrag has been making transmissions forever... probably like 60+ years. I think it's a problem with the type of dry clutch tranny Ford went with. But it sounds like they have started to figure it out with the new firmware and clutch revs.
 

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Well, here's an update. The dealer replaced the clutches today and I drove the car home from the dealer. Only time will tell if this fixes the problem for good. If not, then I'll be looking to replace it with another model. The top 2 choices would be either the Fusion or the new Mazda 6.
Reading between the lines it sounds like you just want a bigger car. Otherwise you'd be looking at the Mazda3 and other compacts. I considered a midsizer as well until I realized a Fusion SE will cost roughly $4,500 more than my Focus did similarly equipped. Personally I don't need to pay thousands more for extra space I don't need and less capable handling.
 

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Mostly probably for fuel economy. And Getrag has been making transmissions forever... probably like 60+ years. I think it's a problem with the type of dry clutch tranny Ford went with. But it sounds like they have started to figure it out with the new firmware and clutch revs.
I agree with your last sentence. My 10/13 built MY14 car displays none of the shuddering and other maladies my MY12 car and so many others displayed. Still has some slight quirks but nothing that really detracts from drivability. 7,500 miles so far.
 

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I had nothing but problems with my 12 up till 25k and 3 clutches later I finally got a brand new trans and knock on wood, it is great I love it, I beat the hell out of it and it is perfect.
 

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UPDATE: When I went to the dealership to pick up my car after having the clutches replaced, my Service Advisor saw me standing at the cashier counter, so he approached me and he described to me what they found wrong with the car, what parts they replaced and what I should expect going forward, given that I just had new clutches installed. He handed me a piece of paper which describes the DC transmission and what type of sounds, sensations and behaviors I should expect going forward. Basically, it was making the case that I should expect some shuddering, vibration, etc, especially during the break-in period.

Well, there's about 100 miles on the new clutches so far and I'm very pleased to say that I haven't experienced any of those issues....YET. I'm hopeful that this has solved the problem, but I'm cautiously optimistic. As I said before, only time will tell. Given the fact that the clutches are so new and haven't been broken in, I'm completely surprised that I haven't experienced any of the shuddering, jerking, etc, such as I did when the car was brand new. I remember the first 1,500 miles or so the car behaved differently until it went past the break in period. As time went on, my MPG also improved. So at this stage, if the car was going to behave badly, I would expect this would be that time for it to shudder and vibrate me out of my seat. Again.....so far, knock on wood, it's actually driving like an automatic transmission.

One other thing...the Regional Customer Rep I've been dealing with is named, Melissa and she has been very helpful to me. She handles the dealerships in my area. For all the negative things that has been said about Ford and their people on this forum, I'd like to point out that there are people who work for the company who are caring, compassionate and driven to provide answers and solutions to their customers. In this case, that was Melissa. She listened in detail to what I described as the problem, she called the dealership to make schedule a service appointment and made arrangements for their transmission expert to take care of my car. She also authorized the cost of a loaner car. On top of that, she told me that she would be sending out a "customer sat" check to me as a gesture of goodwill and to make up for the inconvenience of the ongoing issues I've had with my car. Now THAT is SERVICE! I only wish I could have dealt with Melissa from the very beginning, because it would have saved me a year of aggravation.

So that's where things stand as of now. Again...hopefully this clutch job will permanently solve the problem I was experiencing. As for switching to a Fusion or something comparable, I will hold off on those plans until I can determine whether or not my Focus problem has truly been solved. If so, then the Focus stays, if not, then I'll be looking at replacing it with a Fusion. One other possibility might be going with a Focus ST.
 
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