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Youngzogs_2014SE liked post by jfoschio On thread : Automatic Transmission 2014 Focus - I can't take it anymore
Fails to shift properly, slippage; the grinding noises, loss of power on inclines. Replaced the clutch once and had it recalibrated the second time. Did not remedy. I've had it!
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Was gonna take my 2014 TI HB back for transmission but after Tom tuned it, it is smooth as a baby's ass.
 

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and mybe voided warranty???
Nope. As long as he uses the SCT device to put the car back to the stock program Ford can NOT detect if there was ever a tune on the car. It will Not void the warranty.
 

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Nope. As long as he uses the SCT device to put the car back to the stock program Ford can NOT detect if there was ever a tune on the car. It will Not void the warranty.
That the game plan. Steeda CAI and Magnaflow cat back be here this weekend.Just flashed my first data logged tune. Running stock 93 octane. It night and day from stock.
 

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I Didn't Do It, Nobody Saw Me Do It, There's No Way You Can Prove Anything!

Nope. As long as he uses the SCT device to put the car back to the stock program Ford can NOT detect if there was ever a tune on the car. It will Not void the warranty.
That has been disputed. More than once.

It would be more accurate to say that it is unlikely that Ford would detect it, rather than that it is impossible. Of course, they wouldn't have to go to the bother of detecting it if all they have to do is come here and read all about it (for anyone whose VIN they already know).

That's just the technical question. Everyone can figure out the ethical question for themselves.
 

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That has been disputed. More than once.

It would be more accurate to say that it is unlikely that Ford would detect it, rather than that it is impossible. Of course, they wouldn't have to go to the bother of detecting it if all they have to do is come here and read all about it (for anyone whose VIN they already know).

That's just the technical question. Everyone can figure out the ethical question for themselves.
Well I'm not going to argue. I have worked for ford as a tech and I know what they can and can't do. Most tuners and chips change the stock pcm strategy. Even with those tunes they say the car will be put back to stock but it will still show that the strategy was changed. With Tom's sct tune it removes the stock strategy and replaces it. when you select the return to stock it puts the actual stock strategy back in place and ford can't detect whether the car has been tuned because the strategy has not been changed. I can go on further and pick out and tear apart the 2 links you posted but I dont have the time for all of that.
 

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I was reading this article about the ZF 9-speed gearbox from thetruthaboutcars.com and if you a bit patient as it goes into quite a bit of detail on how computer driven manual gearboxes shift differently and the number of gears can make a big difference.

"Dual clutch robotized manuals have a particular feel that was accepted by performance enthusiasts but has been a source of complaint for Focus and Fiesta shoppers. For me, understanding why the transmission is doing what it is doing is key to my like or dislike of a car’s road manners."

Something which is also highlighted is the impact the software programming of the gearbox can play. This is something Focus owners have experienced first hand when they have had their software updated after a TSB update. When the car goes into the dealer acting one way and then coming out acting completely different without a part being changed.

ZF's 9-Speed 9HP Transmission Puts Dog Clutches On The Leash - The Truth About Cars

roadandtrack.com explains why computer operated manual gearbox cars are making their way into the US car landscape with their article "Why there are no more stick-shift Acuras"

Why there are no more stick-shift Acuras
 

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I was reading this article about the ZF 9-speed gearbox from thetruthaboutcars.com and if you a bit patient as it goes into quite a bit of detail on how computer driven manual gearboxes shift differently and the number of gears can make a big difference.

"Dual clutch robotized manuals have a particular feel that was accepted by performance enthusiasts but has been a source of complaint for Focus and Fiesta shoppers. For me, understanding why the transmission is doing what it is doing is key to my like or dislike of a car’s road manners."

Something which is also highlighted is the impact the software programming of the gearbox can play. This is something Focus owners have experienced first hand when they have had their software updated after a TSB update. When the car goes into the dealer acting one way and then coming out acting completely different without a part being changed.

ZF's 9-Speed 9HP Transmission Puts Dog Clutches On The Leash - The Truth About Cars

roadandtrack.com explains why computer operated manual gearbox cars are making their way into the US car landscape with their article "Why there are no more stick-shift Acuras"

Why there are no more stick-shift Acuras
(see post 219-MK3 TSB, Recall & Problems Archive)-National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) Search 2011-2015 Fiesta and 2012-2015 Focus - you will be appalled.

There is a VAST difference between a properly working dual clutch tranny and what so many Focus owners owners are going thru .

Before believing the Ford memo or anyone who says you are driving it wrong, you really need to drive one that runs right, for example my 2015 GTI.

You will be stunned at what you were being told was normal.
 

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It is a real shame what consumers have to put up with. GM with the ignition switches, Toyota with the acceleration problems, the Tanaka air bags and the major cover up by VW over their engines.
 

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... Something which is also highlighted is the impact the software programming of the gearbox can play. This is something Focus owners have experienced first hand when they have had their software updated after a TSB update. When the car goes into the dealer acting one way and then coming out acting completely different without a part being changed. ...
That is the main reason (of several important ones) I decided against buying a DCT and got the 5-speed manual instead. [driving] The owners who did not like the results of the 12B37 update were told there was no going back to the version they liked better. Whose car is it, anyway?

I had thought it would not take so long for Ford to fix all the problems I had read about and was intrigued by the design -- on paper. Maybe some day, but for now I could not be happier with my decision, even with the sometimes ridiculously heavy stop and go traffic around where I live.
 
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It is a real shame what consumers have to put up with. GM with the ignition switches, Toyota with the acceleration problems, the Tanaka air bags and the major cover up by VW over their engines.
the reason this happens to consumers is because they LET it happen. By that I mean if you take the days involved to read all the posts going back here three years, you'll find that many people believed Ford power shift characteristics memo, which was turn parroted and distributed by all the dealers.
Common sense should have told everyone several things:
1. if your passengers are asking what that clattering noise is under your hood, that is NOT normal.
2. If a symptom that is supposed to be normal goes away in the cold weather how could it have been normal.
3. if other cars with dual clutch transmissions do NOT have these normal symptoms, how are they normal?
4. if your car slips backwards on hills or loses all power on the highway, you have a dangerous problem and the nhtsa should be notified BY YOU...NOW.
These boards had some owners advising WOT takes-offs to clear the chattering, others had you fixing a gap in your intake, others have you getting an aftermarket tune to fix this.
Downunder, what is missing in all this is people getting fed up and being as angry as they should be after spending over $20000 and being treated like this by Ford.

One owner had his Ford done over with advertising that said it was a lemon from Ford. Others created Facebook pages lining together as many complaints as possible.
Others post their problems at Fords own Facebook focus page (which is now abandoned with porno links on it)

The reason large companies get away with this s two-fold:
1. way too many people don't think for themselves and assume these companies care about them and are telling the truth.
2. most of us don't have the time for a crusade against the company.

Everyone with these problems should be writing to the Nat.Hwy,safety agency, writing or emailing every local news agency possible and telling their dealers they want a buyback or proceeding with lemon law litigation.

There are class actions always in progress on this subject, anyone can google up the lemon law blog focus, etc etc

Or like me, you can vote with your dollars and buy another brand (but I TOTALLY get it that some people are dollar trapped-owe too much on the focus etc)

Downunder, sorry for the long ramble but my point is that the answer to why companies get away with this is PEOPLE LET THEM
 

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As I understand the Ford Focus is a world car, meaning it is the same around the world.

However I seem to have picked up that theres a difference in the automatic transmission.

Here in Denmark the 1.5L EcoBoost has the 6F35 conventional transmission with torque converter (According to Ford Denmark) however the 2.0L Diesel has the 6-speed DCT from Getrag.

Theres plenty of the information on the interwebs about the 6DCT450/451 Getrag transmission, not so much about the 6F35.

I have 2 questions.

1: What kind of torque can the 6F35 withstand? Ford Denmark has told me 325 Nm, however interwebs says up towards 400-450 Nm.

2. Which transmission is better? By better i mean more reliable and more smooth / sporty driving? Reliability being the main priority of course.
 

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Little info. here on either of those, since the 6F35 is scheduled for release soon on 1.0 EB engine models for '16 and the 6DCT450 was never used here (it's a wet clutch DCT used in Europe & elsewhere).

Dry clutch 6DCT250 is the one you read so much on in this Forum.
 

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In Denmark (Europe) it is as far as the info i've gathered:

1.0 EcoBoost: 6DCT250
1.5 EcoBoost: 6F35
1.5 Diesel: 6DCT250
2.0 Diesel: 6DCT450

The reason for asking is, im planning to buy a 1.5 EcoBoost with automatic transmission, so I was curious if anyone here knew if it was reliable and how it is to drive compared to Powershift (6DCTXXX)? I've only tried powershift so far.
 

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In Denmark (Europe) it is as far as the info i've gathered:

1.0 EcoBoost: 6DCT250
1.5 EcoBoost: 6F35
1.5 Diesel: 6DCT250
2.0 Diesel: 6DCT450

The reason for asking is, im planning to buy a 1.5 EcoBoost with automatic transmission, so I was curious if anyone here knew if it was reliable and how it is to drive compared to Powershift (6DCTXXX)? I've only tried powershift so far.
Hi Raaert,

I had similar questions when Ford released the new ecoboost engine/new transmission in Australia so I started a thread which has the information you are looking for.

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/mk3-focus/594465-2015-auto-gearbox-type.html

For some reason the Focus range in the US is more limited compared to other markets and they are way behind getting the latest model Focus.

Have a look at the post by FordFocus3 who is also from Australia who drove a Focus similar to one you are asking about.

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/mk3-focus/271815-i-love-my-mk3-ford-focus-100%-whoo-hoo-thread-115.html#post9087761

When you are reading this Forum be aware that there are many different manufacturing plants for the Focus with different levels of quality and part suppliers, plus different levels of service from the respective country's dealer network.
 

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Hi Downunder,

Absolutely amazing reply, answers all my questions, thank you very much.
Definatly gonna go test drive a 1.5 EcoBoost with automatic asap.
 

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I usually fill the gas tank with premium and have had little to no problems with the DCT.

So I filled up with regular gas the other week and my DCT behaved absolutely horribly. It was shuddering and all sorts of nonsense.

I tried scrubbing the clutch multiple times and it didn't help anything.

So I filled up this last tank with premium gas and all is back to normal. Anybody else experience this?

Also my focus is the flex fuel pzev titanium.
 

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There's quite a few threads where people find their Focus works better using the higher octane fuel and lots of articles about problems caused by ethanol in the fuel and winter fuel.
 

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I've had enough of this shuddering/slipping issues so I contacted the dealership. They replaced the clutch kit and everything is smooth now. I can still feel a little bit of shuddering here and there but not as much and barely noticeable. Whenever that happens, I'd give it a little more gas
 

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I usually fill the gas tank with premium and have had little to no problems with the DCT.

So I filled up with regular gas the other week and my DCT behaved absolutely horribly. It was shuddering and all sorts of nonsense.

I tried scrubbing the clutch multiple times and it didn't help anything.

So I filled up this last tank with premium gas and all is back to normal. Anybody else experience this?

Also my focus is the flex fuel pzev titanium.
I never thought about this but this is a great idea! Especially with gas prices right now![cheers]
 
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