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Don't get me wrong, there's been a lot of improvement in engine tech in 30 years, giving us engines that are better in almost every way - they're lighter, faster, more efficient, and more powerful - and I appreciate those improvements. But...it doesn't get much simpler than those older Rangers, and there is something to be said for simple. I'd jump on one of I stumbled across one for sale at a reasonable price.
They are hard to find nowadays in decent shape. A few reasons:

Rust. Those old Rangers are pushing 25+ years and unless they were garage kept and the undercoating maintained they will have some serious rust issues. All of ours, and most I see in the wild, had huge holes in the wheel wells and that ridge under the doors.

Second (and probably biggest) reason being work crews buying them up and running them into the ground. Most of the time if I see an old ranger on the road its loaded to the brim with roofing material or landscaping waste.

Country boys also bought alot of them up, put lift kits on them to go mudding. At least down here in KY they did :).

There is a nice one in my neighborhood that I see all the time. I believe its an 92-ish XTL, sweet condition with that all red interior. Old timer drives it around, probably had it since new.
 

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This is the truth though. Ford will do nothing until every Mk3s are past 100k miles. Which by then they're worth jack s***. Most people would have had their cars traded in within three years too, at least from my metropolitan friends.
True. Though my hope would be per-event compensation for owners - current or previous - to cover each time the clutch packs needed replacing while under warranty. Under normal circumstances, I wouldn't think we'd ever see that, but the difference is here is Ford knowing they were defective from day one and the fact that they've never been able to fix them.

So even if a person doesn't own the car anymore, there would hopefully be some sort of compensation for the hassle. Will it be anywhere near what would be just and fair? Of course not. Because even if it starts out that way, the majority will end up in the lawyers' pockets (as you said).

The only way I see it is that we no longer make purchase on new first year model cars. Buy a car once they've been out for a year (or even two years) with no major issues. Heck I'd wait until refresh year. It is tempting to get the latest and the greatest, but in the world of more complicated designs which complicates accountability, why be the beta tester?
This was my first new car...ever. I had always bought used. From here on out, I'm back to that. I thought I'd try paying the premium that comes with new so we could have the car we actually wanted, rather than the best we could find at the time. Not worth it.

If I'm being honest, that's kind of my opinion even if the DPS6 hadn't been the dumpster fire that it is. My wife wanted this car and it was exciting to buy new, but we're not really that picky and so buying new doesn't make sense to us. The DPS6 fiasco just reinforces the idea. If you've got the time and patience, waiting for a good deal to come around on a car with as many of the options you want and a clean history makes way more sense.
 

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This was my first new car...ever. I had always bought used. From here on out, I'm back to that. I thought I'd try paying the premium that comes with new so we could have the car we actually wanted, rather than the best we could find at the time. Not worth it.

If I'm being honest, that's kind of my opinion even if the DPS6 hadn't been the dumpster fire that it is. My wife wanted this car and it was exciting to buy new, but we're not really that picky and so buying new doesn't make sense to us. The DPS6 fiasco just reinforces the idea. If you've got the time and patience, waiting for a good deal to come around on a car with as many of the options you want and a clean history makes way more sense.
The only real effective way to "own" a new car is to lease it. That way any problem is covered by the warranty or the dealer.
 

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Well you don't own a lease you are basically renting it. If you can't sell it you don't own it.
If you are going to lease a car do it right, and lease a luxury car. Luxury brands typically subsidize their leases heavily.
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Can someone help me I cant figure out how to start my own post and its pissing me off just about as much as this focus
Just go to a thread in a main subsection of the main forum webpage, then look for a button thatt says something like post a new thread.
 

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Well you don't own a lease you are basically renting it. If you can't sell it you don't own it.
You are correct it is practically a long term rent, it is also the recommended way to drive a new car without having to empty the wallet on electronic repairs and maintenance.

Used cars from the mid-2000s when it's electronically-minimalistic though...
 

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You are correct it is practically a long term rent, it is also the recommended way to drive a new car without having to empty the wallet on electronic repairs and maintenance.

Used cars from the mid-2000s when it's electronically-minimalistic though...
My mom has a 2014 Hyundai sonata with 100,000 trouble-free miles.
I just don't agree with your opinion it's financial suicide to have a constant car payment. Buy a car and keep it for at least 10 years. I keep my cars till they go to the junkyard.

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My mom has a 2014 Hyundai sonata with 100,000 trouble-free miles.
I just don't agree with your opinion it's financial suicide to have a constant car payment. Buy a car and keep it for at least 10 years. I keep my cars till they go to the junkyard.
I would have driven my Focus until the wheels fell off had I not move out of country.

Back to the topic though, the Hyundai Sonata has a rather simple torque-converter automatic. What I'm referring to are cars with high maintenance costs - Ford DCTs (or any dry clutch DCTs), BMW M cars etc.

But until most of the general public knows the difference between torque converters and DCTs and CVTs rather then “its just an automatic", just lease the car so there's less worry on what to fix when things go wrong.
 
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We see the world very differently financially. That's okay though.
Actually I agree with driving a car until its ready for the scrapyard. I just wonder if it is also a financial disaster driving a new car like a Focus with a DCT and be hit with clutch repairs every year.

But then again, I have never bought a new car or any car worth more than $20k brand new MSRP.
 

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two types of vehicles nobody should touch any vehicle with a dry dual-clutch transmission, and a Nissan with a CVT transmission.
My 2010 Ford Focus is to the point age wise if it ever suffers transmission or engine failure I would junkyard it. I learned my lesson on my 96 Ford escort ones a car gets to a certain age unless it's a nice vehicle it doesn't make sense to throw a engine or transmission at it.


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Can someone help me I cant figure out how to start my own post and its pissing me off just about as much as this focus


Just download the TT app on your smartphone & add Focus Fanatics to that app. It’s very user friendly & easy to start new topics etc. I don’t think I’ve ever logged on to the PC version.



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Hindsight is 20/20, however it would’ve been smart for me to just keep my ‘05 ZX5, to which ran perfectly & only had 73k miles, but oh well, I’m stuck with this DCT now, so I’ll take it back into the dealer here next month & get the transmission serviced or repaired again.

I didn’t do my homework back in 2014 when I bought a new Focus Hatch. I bought the car because of how nice it looked & knew nothing about the DCT or what it is, a very stupid way to buy a car & lesson learned.



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So I cant make a post? **** this website
Patience young Fordawan. Lol, j/k, I see your post count is at 6... if I'm not mistaken there is a post count minimum where you cannot create new posts until you have "contributed to the community" enough, aka posted like 10 times anywhere on the site. Might not be 10, but it something like that.
Browse around, post comments, make friends, then post till your hearts content.
 

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Thanks to the last Customer Satisfaction Program I was able to get back the money I paid for the last two clutch replacements (one had a special "warranty" pricing even though I had no extended warranty and the last was full price). When the letter came two weeks ago it had a blurb about "might be eligible for a refund of money already paid for repairs", so I called the dealer and made an appt to talk. I also paid out of pocket for stuff relating to the purge valve recall, so brought that paperwork along with me too. The service manager said he would submit to Ford and it would take about a week to get an answer. He called back in a couple hours saying it was approved, and I got a check for almost $2000. So at least I'm not out that!
 

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The only real effective way to "own" a new car is to lease it. That way any problem is covered by the warranty or the dealer.
That's throwing away money in most cases. Do your research, buy a reliable vehicle and maintain it. The vast majority of the time, anyone doing that is going to get 100K+ miles easy before having to shell out big money for repairs. At 120K+ miles, I've dropped under $200 in repairs (mount and an O2 sensor).

I had an 06 Sienna with 160K+ miles on it. It needed a steering rack and a radiator, but otherwise it was rock solid.
 
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