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Not to mention that wing or ANY wing for that matter doesnt really bother your car. Lets face it your not competeing for millions of dollars where every .01 counts. That wing will make you lose what, .01 of a second? PFFFt get the wing and be happy.

Secondly, i think the guy was being sarcastic about the wing adding horsepower you noob.
 

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DUH

I know he was joking, I used to drag a Lincoln MarkVIII, I know what works and doesn't, dragging a 2 ton beast that looked rough on the outside....I used to eat ricers alot, they hate that a car that's over 1000 lbs heavier is spanking them..I was talking "RICE" hp, everyone one knows that the SiR decal along with V-TEC add MADD POWER to a civic HX specially gold badges WOAH..

Back on topic I wanna get one of those fatty spoilers too, I dunno I just like the look, but that happens after the important stuff
 

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llama_in_a_focus said:
hey, where can i find the wing in focus zx5's avatar?
i'm afraid i've only seen it on a the focus world rally car; as far as i'm concerned, no replicas have been made...so unless you ask M-Sport (the company that makes the focus rally cas) to buy one, i have no idea how you can get one!
 

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so crazy_urn, last time i checked, the focus wasn't a race car; so the few pounds a wing would add won't affect the handling nor the speed of your car one little bit!!
did you ever bother to read my post? i never said that the weight of the spoiler effected handling. and weight was not the only issue i mentioned.

yes, the weight of the wing is an insignificant thing. but combine that with the drag created by it, and this insignificant thing will effect the preformance of your car. and if you had read my original post, you would have noticed that the biggest issue i had with wings is the drag they create.

but hey, if you want to waste money to decrease your acceleration, top speed, and gas milage just to "look cool" then by all means, be my guest. (and whether or not they even look cool is a completly differnt debate) just be aware that anyone on the road with half a brain will know how foolish you really are.

why dont you put your money into something that will actually help your car, not hinder it?
 

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you're not doing a 150 miles/hour everyday are you? it's not a formula type car, a wing on a street car won't affect anything, let alone drag [rolleyes]
about the "foolish" thing, to each his own, you like power and high hp numbers, good for you, the power of the focus is good enough for me as is (it's not a race car for god's sake)... so all i care about is that it looks good and different from other foci!
 

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crazy_urn....Man, I never thought this would turn into such a hot debate. As far as putting money into something that will help my car, been there done that to the tune of a couple thou, you should try it. If we were talking about high performance race cars you would be exactly right. In this application and at the speeds I drive the spoiler will have absolutely no impact on top speed, gas mileage or acceleration. So me and my half brain are going for looks, some people like them some people don't. I can accept and respect the fact that you disagree and you should do the same without resorting to name calling.

If you feel the need to discuss in detail the pros and cons of spoilers and wings, the drag they create as opposed to the benefits of the downward push created in order to maintain stability I would suggest possibly finding a Formula 1 Racing forum. [idea]

And oh yes, the WHP thing was just a joke. Obviously the stereo won't even come close to adding 15 WHP.[:p]
 

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Actually when i put in my stereo, i got 14.9 WHP!!!

Secondly, the ONLY time a wing helps is when you wieght reduce your car, and your going 9 second 1/4's. Otherwise a wing on your car slows you down yes, however, you wont even come close to noticing it. If you have a 600hp focus then tell us about how a wing hurts your speed. Otherwise stfu, you wont notice it on a 170hp modified focus.

Its just for looks. Just dont get an aluminum wing =P
 

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focusedat50... you have my respect

as for you, bluereiger. i cannot say the same thing. a wing will not help you pull 9's at a 1/4 mile. if anything, it will hinder you. i will agree that you probably will not notice a difference in preformance during everyday city driving, but just because you do not notice a differance does not mean there is not one. do you know anything about physics at all? or aerodynamics? you dont need a 600 hp focus to have a difference. go drive your focus on the highway. go out in the middle of nowhere and do 90 on the interstate. (can your 170hp focus do 90?) if you could drive two foci, one with a spoiler, one without, you would be able to hear the wind resistance created by the spoiler. that wind resistance is drag. that drag effects your car

if you want a spoiler, thats great, its your money, its your car. but will you atleast admit that in a normal situation it is possible for your spoiler to effect your car?
 

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"as for you, bluereiger. i cannot say the same thing. a wing will not help you pull 9's at a 1/4 mile. if anything, it will hinder you. i will agree that you probably will not notice a difference in preformance during everyday city driving, but just because you do not notice a differance does not mean there is not one. do you know anything about physics at all? or aerodynamics? you dont need a 600 hp focus to have a difference. go drive your focus on the highway. go out in the middle of nowhere and do 90 on the interstate. (can your 170hp focus do 90?) if you could drive two foci, one with a spoiler, one without, you would be able to hear the wind resistance created by the spoiler. that wind resistance is drag. that drag effects your car"


A WING IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE DOWNFORCE AND UNLESS YOU HAVE A HELL OF A LOT OF HP AND RUNNING 9'S IN A QUARTER A WING WONT HOLD YOUR CAR DOWN LIKE ITS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR< I HAVE SAID THIS AT LEAST 4 TIMES. BUT IF YOUR CAR IS RUNNING 14's ON 170 HP OR WHATEVER NUMBERS YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH ITS NOT GOING TO MAKE HARDLY ANY DIFFERENCE IN YOUR SPEED. YOU ARGUING ABOUT THIS IS LIKE TELLING ME RUNNING 11" TIRES ON A CAR VICE 12'S IS GONNA MAKE YOUR CAR SUPER FAST. BS. IT GIVES YOU MINIMAL PERFORMANCE. ITS LIKE PUTTING AN INTAKE AND EXHAUST ON YOUR CAR AND TELLING ME YOUR RUNNING 12'S. AND DONT TELL ME A WING DOESNT DO ANYTHING. EVER SEEN A FAST SUPRA? THE WING HOLDS THE BACK END OF THE CAR DOWN SO THE WHEELS HAVE BETTER TRACTION AT HIGH SPEEDS.

But hey, thnx for reitterating everything i said, only 4 times. Im done with you, you obviously cant read past a 3rd grade level.



**Message Edited**

Btw, im sure his car isnt turboed, and hes not driving 150 mph, so the "Drag" of the wing isnt going to bother his car. OH WAIT! HE WILL ONLY GOT 120 MPH NOW! NOT 121!!! OMFG
 

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you are right bluereiger, there is no noticable difference between 121 mph and 120 mph, but they are still slightly different.

but if you remember correctly, top speed was not the only thing i mentioned effected by the drag wings create. i also mentined fuel economy. the effect on fuel economy is caused by the drag created by the wing. the more drag you have, the more force is required to move your vehicle. the more force that is required, the more gas will be used, thus decreasing fuel economy.

lets do some math and see if drag has any effect on you.

according to the ford website, the zx3 gets 26city/33highway for fuel economy. lets say the drag caused by the wing decreases that only slightly. lets say 1mpg, i believe that is fair.

now, lets see how much that 1mpg will effect you over the life of your car (lets say about 100,000 miles) i will be using the number $1.50/gallon of gas to calculate costs. that number is the average cost of gasoline in the denver metro area for a year (where i live)

fuel economy without wing: 26/33
fuel economy with wing: 25/32

gallons of gas used for 100,000 miles without wing: 3846.15/3030.3 gallons
gallons of gas used for 100,000 miles with wing: 4000/3125 gallons
difference caused by wing for 100,000 miles: 153.85/94.7 gallons
cost of difference caused by wing for 100,000 miles: $230.78/$142.05

so, according to this math, installing a wing on your car will effect you. i have checked and rechecked my math and i believe it to be error free, but i am not prefect, please feel free to recheck my math and correct me if neccisary.

can you now see what i mean when i say wings effect your car?
 

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so the wing affects the weight which consequently affects fuel economy...
so start driving naked and cut your hair, this way you'll save some weight and fuel (on a billion miles basis[rolleyes]
 

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so the wing affects the weight which consequently affects fuel economy...
so start driving naked and cut your hair, this way you'll save some weight and fuel (on a billion miles basis[rolleyes]
did you even bother to read my last post?
did i ever once mention the word weight? did i ever say anything about weight?
no i did not.

you have shown your ignorance

i did not say weight effected fuel economy, i said DRAG effected fuel economy. if your going to argue, can you please be kind enough to atleast pay attention, and read my post.
 

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Hey folks, lets just say we agree to disagree. [drinking] It's not that big of a deal and we are expending far too much time and energy on such a minor topic, actually[offtopic] from the original post. I am sure there is some validity to both points of view however perception is reality.[cheers] [burnout] [wave]
 

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thank you focusedat50, i agree.

i just wanted to bring a different view to the table. i guess i did get a little carried away and off topic, and for that i apoloigize, but that tends to happen when you get personally attacked for having a differing opinion.

yes Focus ZX5, i do know what drag is. i believe that my posts speak for themselves reguarding my knowledge. i am not a physicist, but i do understand the basic priciples of physics.

i am through debating. i have made my point. if you want to spend an extra $142 to $230 dollars on gas (depending on how much city/highway driving you do) its your money, its your car. as for me, i will save my money, and put it to better use.

thank you for your time, and your ears (to those of you who actually listened)
 

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Hey urn, having a passion for what you believe is right is ok.....just remember, everyones
passions are not the same.[thumb]
 

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Here is the WRC-Style wing, although at $650, it's a bit pricey for my taste...

[confused]
Edit: I just realized this now seems out of place... I didn't finish reading everyones posts before I posted this...
 
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