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My brothers car was recently totaled and he had decent speakers in the car. He was too lazy to take them out and said if I did I could use them. So even though these things are old, I'm sure they are still miles above better than my stock stuff. They are a little dirty but other wise look to be in good shape still, nothing looks blown, torn or otherwise broken.




They are Diamond Audio; S6.0m 6.5" and S5.0m 5.25". The cross overs are from the S5's and not pictured are the tweeters. I have a few questions on how these would work in my car though. I have the stock 6-disc unit in my '07 now, no sub or anything else. I added the 6disc to replace my stock single because i found one really cheap.

Can I run these with out an amp or upgrading my head unit and have them sound better than my stock speakers? Or is it just a better idea to get an amp to power these?

Will they all fit in my stock spaces, I just need to make or buy a bracket to fit them?

any risk of hurting these if i was able to run them, under powering them going to hurt them (my brother mentioned that?)

If I need an amp to power these, any suggestions on something affordable(not cheap but not expensive) that I can hook up to the stock head unit?



Since my photo is lousy, found this link with some better pictures of the s5's
 

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The 5.25 can be made to fit, with a speaker bracket. Tho our 5x7/6x8 is too small to fit that 6.5, without some imagination and a spacer-bracket combo (I hate those things, they usually don't work. And I don't have a solid answer for Our car).
I couldn't find the specs on those speakers, but I'm assuming they are the ones that were 100w RMS. With that said, our h/u is putting well less than 1/5th of that, so don't expect them to sound like a 100watt set of speakers. I'd recommend amplifying them, not because you might "hurt them" (only possible if you start clipping at the h/u, typically done when you want more volume), but because you'll have a set of speakers just starving for more power, and you'll never have to worry about distortion from a h/u that is only doing 15-20watts.
If ou Really wana get the most out of these, find a h/u doing 4volts+ (Sony GS series does 5 btw), and match it up with a solid amp. :)
Ill look up some stuff at work, but you'll probably have more responses before I can check =P
 

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5x7, 6x8 to 6.5" adapter. they are are on ebay.

or, you can just send me the 6.5's and be done with them.

They are really good speakers and deserve to have an amp to drive them. The crossover will work with either set FWIW
 

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5x7, 6x8 to 6.5" adapter. they are are on ebay.

or, you can just send me the 6.5's and be done with them.

They are really good speakers and deserve to have an amp to drive them. The crossover will work with either set FWIW
So I can get an adapter to make the 6.5's work, tha'ts good news. The crossover was actually in the front doors where they had the 6.5's mounted and they had the 5's on the rear shelf. The ones in the rear were mounted in a bracket, not sure on the size of it but i should probably go back and see if i can remove that bracket to re-use. (hopefully he hasnt had the car towed away yet, sitting in front of our house the past week.)


So moral of this story is to take advantage of these speakers, I must get an amp and then to take full advantage I must get a better head unit. So I'd probably have to turn this into a little build and rewire everything with decent wire. He has a pair of subs but they are too big and I dont want the wieght and the hassle of wiring up even more. I dont really listen to anything other than rock music so the bass would be wasted on me. Lol, any familiar with HCCA's by Orion? He has a pair of their 12s and a pair of 1000 amps
 

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So I can get an adapter to make the 6.5's work, tha'ts good news. The crossover was actually in the front doors where they had the 6.5's mounted and they had the 5's on the rear shelf. The ones in the rear were mounted in a bracket, not sure on the size of it but i should probably go back and see if i can remove that bracket to re-use. (hopefully he hasnt had the car towed away yet, sitting in front of our house the past week.)


So moral of this story is to take advantage of these speakers, I must get an amp and then to take full advantage I must get a better head unit. So I'd probably have to turn this into a little build and rewire everything with decent wire. He has a pair of subs but they are too big and I dont want the wieght and the hassle of wiring up even more. I dont really listen to anything other than rock music so the bass would be wasted on me. Lol, any familiar with HCCA's by Orion? He has a pair of their 12s and a pair of 1000 amps
Well you don't have to rewire everything. Depending on the gauge of the factory wires, you may just be able to get away with that.

The reason this won't work well with the factory setup is because the factory speakers are much more efficient and sensitive, while these require more power to come alive.

You don't have to get a headunit, however it would be nice as it gives you more control over your components. There are many sound processors out now that work with factory headunits, if you want to keep a stock headunit look.

I would definitely pick up the crossovers as that filters the frequencies specifically for your component set.

Also, I would always add a sub. Contrary and depending how it's setup, it's not always for the boom-boom. You can have it set and leveled to be as it's designed to be, for low end extension. There are a ton of underlying bass notes that don't get reproduced accurately, or at all without a sub.
 

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Also, I would always add a sub. Contrary and depending how it's setup, it's not always for the boom-boom. You can have it set and leveled to be as it's designed to be, for low end extension. There are a ton of underlying bass notes that don't get reproduced accurately, or at all without a sub.
Thanks for the advice, if i did go with a sub it would be something similar to the stock ones..a small 8" tucked into one of the corners. I was mostly saying i didnt want his subs as they are too big and heavy for my needs. Something tuned to accentuate and enhance some bass guitar/drums would be nice.

I have always wanted a double din HU to make use of the space but just have been too cheap to invest in one. I liked the idea of using a tablet as my HU but I doubt i would get that involved.

I think for now I would like to keep the factory look just to keep costs down. What sort of amp would be decent? Something that i can make work with my stock HU now but would fit in with a decent aftermarket HU if i upgraded down the road? Like I said before, something decent but not too pricey.
 

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You usually get more bang for your buck with 10" subs as there is a bigger selection and they are more capable. Not much of a weight gain for the most part, 3-5lbs.

For the double-din, might want to look into the Pioneer App Radio. It's fairly close to a tablet, and relatively cheap for a double din at around $300+.

For the amp, get a decent 4 channel, or 5 channel if you want to power the sub down the road with that. Look at Alpine, JL, JBL as a start. Something along the lines of 100-150watts for the 4 channels, and 200-250 watts for the 5th channel is a good start.
 

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Ive looked at the app-radio's but i dont think they are as polished as I'd like, they got closer with the second gen. I like the direction they are going though, something to consider in the future.

Ill look up some stuff at work, but you'll probably have more responses before I can check =P
Any recommendations would be great
 

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Get a focus enclosure from subthump built to spec for one of the HCCA's
 

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I lied...he had diamond sub's in there with hcca amps. Apparently he sold his hcaa sub's a while ago. Oh well, doesn't matter since I think he's keeping those but picture anyways. At one point he ran 3 of the hcca sub's lol, he was loud.



Maybe I'll bug him about taking one of them and getting a custom enclosure made up. He has long since stopped caring about car audio
 

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OEM head units make like 15 watts per channel and I might be being generous. Any speaker upgrade is much better with a dedicated amp imo.
 
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