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We are looking to have the high flow cat pipe available at the end of the month. We are looking do a redesign. We wanted some input on this.

We are looking to offer two different options possible being 1 and 2, but I think option 3 should be offered too, but not sure. We are not sure how many customers would be looking for an oem style converter. I am trying to find out what our customers are looking for. All options are obd-2 complaint.

The high flow cat pipe in option 1 and 2 would have better performance with a smaller round converter.

1. The first options is to us metallic converter, which has a 200 cell count. This one would flow the best. It does not have epa stampings. Estimated price $349.95

2. The 2nd option would be to use a ceramic 400 cell converter, which is more of an oem replacement. It would better results on an emissions test than option 1. The one we offered before was a ceramic 400 cell. It would still perform a little better than before. It does not have epa stampings. Estimate price $349.95.

Both the 1 and 2 would look similar to the picture below. The 1 and 2 converter is smaller diameter and is not as long as the current one.




3. The 3rd option would be for a customer looking for an oem replacement. This would still perform better than the factory one. It would be a ceramic converter 400 cell counts. We would offer a converter that looks similar to the one now. We are looking to change from the current round one to an oval converter. The oval converter should allow for better ground clearance. It would still have the larger body with the heat shield. It would have epa stampings. We are looking at changing the converter to a more expensive one that has more precious metals for lower tailpipe emissions. This option would have the best emission. It would have better emission results than option 1, 2, and our current one. Estimated price around $500.00.

Here is the picture of the current one:



All these options would have an option to add an rear reinforcement bracket to the pipe that attaches to the block. This would add support to the rear of the pipe. A few customers had requested this options. We are still pricing this additional option.

What option would you go with? What do you think?

We would also like to know what type of emissions testing is done in your state if any? Obd-2 and/or tailpipe sniffer test? If your state requires emissions testing, do they require the converter have epa stampings?
 

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I believe you should offer Option 1 and Option 3 - both with the bracket, as long as the Stamping would make it a legal stock replacement in most states.
 

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I like the first option, we don't have emission testing where I live so I would want to gain maximum flow while still retaining a converter.
 

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i think providing options 1 and 3 would be the best route.
option 1 for those who live in state that do not have such strict emission laws would be nice, and option 3 for those that do but still want performance over the factory cat.
 

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hopefully whatever you do the welds are better....
 

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We appreciate the feedback. I have also contacted some customers by e-mail and by phone. After reviewing the feedback, we have decided to offer all three options. Our goal will be to keep in-stock the more popular options 1 and 2. The option 3 will be made to order.

We are currently waiting for the converters to arrive in to assemble the cat pipes. The converters for option 1 will arrive here soon, which will be available first. The option 2 and 3 converters may take a little longer to obtain given those are on back order, which means it will be available later.
 

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you guys are killing me the first cat you could just go offroad pipe not much differance my cars never gonna be back on the road when will you get the other cats
 

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So ... will these out perform the Current High-Flo Cat?

If it was posted, I missed it.

Interested in seeing some test numbers on a Dyno amongst all of the Cats here. These 3 plus the current HFC and ORP.

I am also looking for a HFC, since I am not getting tired of the ORP.

-Ray-
 

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So ... will these out perform the Current High-Flo Cat?


-Ray-
1 and 2 would perform better than the current one. The body design of those first two converters allow for better exhaust flow. The first one is the best for performance given the converter cell count is 200, which is less restrictive than a 400 cell count converter.
 

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Will you guys be doing a dyno run and have the dyno sheets laid out for all to see?

I would be curious to see the differences in the power-band between the old HFC/ORP vs These new designs you guys are putting out.

-Ray-
 

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I am sorry to say the offroad pipes and highflow cat pipes are being delayed. There was an issue with the 3 bolt flanges. The manufacturer who makes the flanges for us made them with an incorrect bolt pattern. We are waiting for new ones to be made. This means were are looking at a estimated date on these being completed towards the end of September. If we are able to have these completed sooner, we will post an update. We do apologize for the delay. We do appreciate your business.
 

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Will option 3 be CA legal? PLEASE?
Regarding option 3. California has a list of requirements to make a replacement converter. It is more difficult than someone would like. For that reason, I am not sure what the possibility will be for us to offer one.

The converter itself would be 50 state legal. Magnaflow shows it being legal in California. I am thinking it would pass the obd-2 and smog test in California. It has the required stampings on the converter.

The visual inspection would be the concern. If the inspector knows how the SVTF looks like, they may not pass the visual inspection. The reason being even though the factory o2 sensors are in a bad location from the factory, I do not believe California will allow them to be placed in a different location. That and they might not like the pipe we offer only has one converter vs two like the factory one.
 

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Well ... look forward to the prototypes to get back to you guys with the correct holes.

I hope we see some great gains from this setup.

-Ray-
 

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In Houston they only plug into obd2 and do no visual inspection for cat and no tailpipe testing so orp can work with a tune. But I might go this route in case they change the rules later on.
 
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