Focus Fanatics Forum banner
1 - 20 of 37 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
411 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I have a friend who is "supposedly" quite knowledgable about cars. I recently got my SVTF which has the header heat shield removed. I told my friend that those are real headers and that they are pretty good and that I don't think there are many that are better for our car. (speaking from reading some posts about it) He laughed and said that they aren't real headers and that Cars now a days come with "exhaust manifolds like that." He also said he had a "friend" who had an SVT and that had supped it up and put new "real headers" in it. To this day he still denies that they are real headers and insists that they are nothing special on a stock car.
I would like experienced peoples opinions on this. Is My friend Full of SHit?? Or is he right about somethings?? I was sorta of thinking he was jealous but I don't know. I would really like to know for sure about "our headers." Thanks for your inputs guys.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
356 Posts
yes that dude knows nothing.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
607 Posts
and what exactly are header(s) supposed to look like? Any tuned header aka exhuast mani will have bends in it.. Doens't have to be straight pipes.. Look at any racing cars "TUNED" header/exhuast mani
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,380 Posts
Does your friend also think that anything yellow = faster?
 

·
BAD EGG
Joined
·
7,418 Posts
Haha, sounds like another "Type R" Need for Speed wanna be racer to me. Tell your friend he is a tool. That or etch Type R somewhere on the header where he can see it [;)]

The stock SVT header is almost the best that you can get. The only thing that beats it would be a Jethot coated stock header [thumb]
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,395 Posts
I heard there is another long-tube header out there that apparently out-performs the stock SVT marginally.

Tell your friend that most exhuast manifolds are log style, and usually out of cast-iron. Generally a tubular 4 into 2 into 1 "exhuast manifold" is called a "header". lol
 

·
Focused Focus
Joined
·
6,403 Posts
Tell your friend to go back to sleep.............we'll wake him when the ride is over, lol
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
523 Posts
[slap]
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
171 Posts
Tell your friend to stick to Neons, Most people that look under the hood of my SVT don't believe that I have a stock header on the car.

The SVT header is a VERY impressive piece of engineering, your friend is an idiot.
 

·
BAD EGG
Joined
·
7,418 Posts
p.s. show him this thread [hihi]
 

·
Focused Focus
Joined
·
6,403 Posts
But only if his "neon brain" can handle it, lol
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
411 Posts
Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Nice!!!!! I've only known this guy for about a year so I'm still figureing him out. He is not a fan of Rice by any means. Only thing is he is a big fan of anything toyota(GAG) So he loves that stupid ugly looking Matrix XRS and he talks like that car could whoop mine along with the Corolla XRS. Which from looking at the specs I highly doubt!
I think his problem lies in his ability to bullshit things he knows little about. Next time I see him and he sings his old tune about my header I will call bullshit right out!! Previously I've been nice about it and pretended that "maybe he knows and I don't." But now after getting many peoples opinions, of which more knowledgable than himself, I will not hesistate to call him out. Thanx guys!!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
191 Posts
The only thing he got right is that "our headers" don't exist. We have "A" header, and a damn good one [;)]
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
411 Posts
Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Just so everyone sees this I am double posting it on this page. When I originally posted it Jr above me posted at the same time and his post moved to a new page.

Nice!!!!! I've only known this guy for about a year so I'm still figureing him out. He is not a fan of Rice by any means. Only thing is he is a big fan of anything toyota(GAG) So he loves that stupid ugly looking Matrix XRS and he talks like that car could whoop mine along with the Corolla XRS. Which from looking at the specs I highly doubt!
I think his problem lies in his ability to bullshit things he knows little about. Next time I see him and he sings his old tune about my header I will call bullshit right out!! Previously I've been nice about it and pretended that "maybe he knows and I don't." But now after getting many peoples opinions, of which more knowledgable than himself, I will not hesistate to call him out. Thanx guys!!
 

·
The Librarian
Joined
·
13,116 Posts
Off Topic

SVTFsOnIcBlUe said:
When I originally posted it Jr above me posted at the same time and his post moved to a new page.
Oh, but it's on the same page when I look at it...

Here's a handy "forum tip" for the day. [:D]

FYI,
1) Click on "USER CP" at the top of the page.
2) Then, "Edit Options".
3) Scroll down to "Default Posts per Thread".
4) Look to the right at the pulldown menu.
5) Within that pulldown menu, scroll down and pick "Show 40 posts per page".

There ya go, 1/2 as many pages to look at now. [;)]
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
254 Posts
The SVT header is as "real" a header as it gets. It is tuned and all the bends that are in it along with the 4-2-1 design is very specifically designed that way. From an engineering point of view, the length of each primary is quite specific and relates to firing order. Header design, if done right, as in the SVTf case, is really specific to the particular engine. The bends in the primaries are that way to achieve a particular length in each primary. This is based on firing order, reason being that the pulses of gas from each cylinder, as they flow through a tuned header, actually help to evacuate gas from the other tubes - it's a complex process and I just am not able to articulate it well. Bottom line - you won't fine a more purpose-built header than the stock SVT header. Period.[thumb]
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
292 Posts
Talkin about our headers, here's one for the books....

When my orig engine failed, the warranty inspector from Ford denied my claim because I had an "aftermarket header" on the car!!!

When I gently told them it was the stock "exhaust manifold" for an SVT, they totally reversed their decision and paid the whole bill.

They don't know their own stuff!!!!

("I know, I know, our cars are "special". That's what the "S" in svt is for. But when being "special" causes that kind of problem for me, it feels more like the "special" olympics.)
 

·
Dragon Warrior
Joined
·
309 Posts
It is really amazing when the Ford Dealer knows nothing of their own damn cars. Here are some experiences from 89-95 V-6 Taurus SHO owners. This was pulled from www.shotimes.com



Hall of Shame
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mechanics
Mechanics actually told SHOtimes members these things, and did these things.

Clutch "SHOs have non-adjustable hydraulic clutches." (they are cable clutches)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Don't drive the car too hard because "these things only have a 6-inch clutch." (that is just funny)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Grand Master
Another mechanic installed a Grizzly throwout bearing incorrectly in a SHOtimes member's car. He not only installed the bearing backwards, but he locktited it to the sleeve upon which it is supposed to travel freely. The manufacturer has framed this bearing and hung it on his office wall.

But, he wasn't done. There are three locating pins on the flywheel that are used to keep the clutch in place on the flywheel. The pins have to be removed in order to surface the flywheel. This guy, though, only removed one. He left the other two on the flywheel and ground them down along with the flywheel surface. The flywheel/clutch assembly ended up out of balance and had to be replaced.

Drivetrain "The warranty on your Taurus has been voided by your installation of an aftermarket Yamaha 3.0L engine and aftermarket 5-speed manual transmission."
Engine "You should never exceed 4000 RPM or the pushrods will float." ( from and engine capable of of 8000 rpm easily)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The same dealer responsible for the pushrods comment insisted that the use of premium fuel in the SHO would void the warranty. (says it on the Dash Premium recommended)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Three guys at Normandy Ford claimed that the SHO was supercharged. One of them was adamant enough to ask, "Who's the professional here?". Another report of this misconception was also received from New Jersey.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From Carlos Bonds: I went to Sterling Ford here in VA about a valve tap. I told the shop representative that it would probably need a valve adjustment. "That thing's got hydraulic valves; you can't 'just 'em", he said. Oh but sir I just got off the phone with Ford Motorsports and he said that it has shims in there that need attention every 60000 miles. "That guy is wrong!" He continued with "tell you what we will have to open it up to find the tap... cost you $650 plus parts to diagnose." (it is DOHC with Lobe contacted buckets )

I pulled my car from those non SHO knowing guys. I did the valve adjustment myself courtesy of the SHO Shop... cost fifty bucks!!!! Thank God for Vadim!

Identity From Craig Printy: I called a local Ford dealer recently about the cost of a valve adjustment and timing belt change for my SHO. His reply was "Now who makes that?" I hung up.
Maintenance One dealer recommended that at 30K miles, it was time for the SHO to have its rear brakes cleaned.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

One dealer tried to replace a defroster element that had fallen off with superglue instead of the proper conductive material.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Salespersons
Not wanting to be outdone by mechanics, here's some words of wisdom from the fine folks who sell us the second-largest purchase of our lives:

Lineage "The SHO is basically a Mustang with four doors" (he couldn't figure out, after opening the hood on the SHO, and then one on a 5.0L Mustang, why the headers looked so different).
Origin A salesman told another list member what a nice car the SHO is: "You know, Ford imports that car from Japan." He too was very embarrassed when shown the window sticker that says "Made with pride in Atlanta".
Performance "This '96 Taurus LX will dust your '93 SHO Automatic."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From Eric Seager:

I went down to a Ford dealership in the East Bay (near San Francisco) where I was looking at a 1993 SHO. The sales representative asked me why I wanted an SHO since I already had a Taurus GL. I told him that I liked the SHO because it was sporty, it can handle and it had more power than my GL. He laughed at me but I didn't understand why. He asked me what I was going to do with my GL and I told him that I wanted to trade it in. He told me that if I wanted to make my Taurus just as good as the SHO, to go down to Radio shack and buy an adjustable resistor for $5.00, splice my coolant temp. sensor wire, and install the resistor. I began to leave but I wanted to find out how much of a dumb-ass this guy really was so I asked him what I should do about the handling. He said that my GL handles just as good as the SHO. I left the lot laughing so hard that I began to cry.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Sorry for the semi off-topic post
 
1 - 20 of 37 Posts
Top