[PuttPuttVroom]

So looking at the Ford.com build and price configuration, it looks like there's no longer a difference in price between the automatic 6-speed or the manual 5-speed transmissions.

Is this the norm for the 2015 Foci models now? On the Ford.ca website, it still shows the old 2014 models, and there's about a $1,000 difference between the automatic and the manual transmissions.

Though I've pre-ordered a 2015 to be built, the dealership had included the $1,000 automatic transmission cost. If this is no longer something to be charged for, I'm demanding that $1,000 be removed from the end cost (I haven't paid for the car, only the deposit to have the car built). I am currently giving them benefit of the doubt that this isn't something they knew about either at the time (late Jan 2015), and they aren't trying to pull the wool over me.

Have a look at the two attachments below to see what I mean. If it were only $200 difference I'd tell them to throw in some floor mats and I'll call it even. But $1,000, I want that money back or I'm walking!

 

[suss6052]

So looking at the Ford.com build and price configuration, it looks like there's no longer a difference in price between the automatic 6-speed or the manual 5-speed transmissions.

Is this the norm for the 2015 Foci models now? On the Ford.ca website, it still shows the old 2014 models, and there's about a $1,000 difference between the automatic and the manual transmissions.

Though I've pre-ordered a 2015 to be built, the dealership had included the $1,000 automatic transmission cost. If this is no longer something to be charged for, I'm demanding that $1,000 be removed from the end cost (I haven't paid for the car, only the deposit to have the car built). I am currently giving them benefit of the doubt that this isn't something they knew about either at the time (late Jan 2015), and they aren't trying to pull the wool over me.

Have a look at the two attachments below to see what I mean. If it were only $200 difference I'd tell them to throw in some floor mats and I'll call it even. But $1,000, I want that money back or I'm walking!

For the Focus Titanium there was not a price difference in the USA, but initially the Titanium was not available with a manual transmission.

There is a price difference of $1095 on all other trims where it is an option as the DCT costs extra, but was standard on the 2012 SEL, and 2012-2015 Titanium. The 5 speed was a no cost option on the Titanium in the USA, but did not save you any money.

It sounds like Ford CA would be eliminating the differential price for the Titanium now as well. You'll only pay based on what the car's MSRP is, not what they entered in when the car is to be ordered.

The price increased the 1000 for the manual transmission on the 2015 to cost the same as the automatic it seems, so in reality you're not paying any more than you would have otherwise. They just eliminated the price break on the manual car.

 

[PuttPuttVroom]

Thanks for the quick response!

Not that I don't trust you - I shouldn't be screaming Stranger Danger, should I? - but do you have any proof that this is indeed going to be the case in Canada? I would like to have something irrefutable to take to the dealership and have them strike that $1,000 surcharge for the transmission type.

Also, just FYI, the screen grabs for the 2014 models are from the Ford.ca website. Thus they're still "charging" us for the different transmissions. Whether they remove that charge from the MSRP when you're in store or not, I am not sure. However, the brief agreement I struck up with the dealership does include this charge. I want it removed.

 

[suss6052]

Thanks for the quick response!

Not that I don't trust you - I shouldn't be screaming Stranger Danger, should I? - but do you have any proof that this is indeed going to be the case in Canada? I would like to have something irrefutable to take to the dealership and have them strike that $1,000 surcharge for the transmission type.

Also, just FYI, the screen grabs for the 2014 models are from the Ford.ca website. Thus they're still "charging" us for the different transmissions. Whether they remove that charge from the MSRP when you're in store or not, I am not sure. However, the brief agreement I struck up with the dealership does include this charge. I want it removed.

They were giving a discount on the car in the 2012-2014 series, but it appears that they are eliminating that discount for buying a manual, probably because the take rate is already so low as to not matter.

Just because they were charging the difference in 2014 doesn't mean it applies to the 2015 as you're finding out. Though it may have been the case at the time of the order since the 2015 order details might not have been as clear given the changing price levels and the information not being fully released.

Likely they cannot control what the MSRP is, only Ford can do that. If the feature is listed as a no cost option/ standard feature then that's the price.

Just because they mentioned a $1000 up charge doesn't mean anything yet if the car is not built.

The 2015 at least per the build and price page is the same price, so if anything you'd be paying $1000 more for a manual than before, but getting the auto for the same price.

 

[ELCouz]

I guess the manual sales are so low that price having a manual is now premium (hence no rebate)


Sad but true... manuals are niche right now!

Thanks to all soccer moms and luxurious lazy guys [grinking]

 

[wavsine]

They were giving a discount on the car in the 2012-2014 series, but it appears that they are eliminating that discount for buying a manual, probably because the take rate is already so low as to not matter.

This is really bad news as dealers will now be even more reluctant to inventory a manual Focus. It was already hard to find 2014 models with the 5 speed. A few dealers carried them for the niche market and it did shave $1095 off the MSRP.

 

[suss6052]

This is really bad news as dealers will now be even more reluctant to inventory a manual Focus. It was already hard to find 2014 models with the 5 speed. A few dealers carried them for the niche market and it did shave $1095 off the MSRP.

I'm talking about on the Titanium trim only, which is what the OP was posting about having ordered a 2015 Titanium only to find out that he thinks he was charged extra for the DCT, when that's just the price of the car.

For the S-SE the 5 speed manual is still around 1095 cheaper in all trims as it was in the USA, but in Canada the Titanium did come at a discount for buying a manual, not here though.

Though I'm not quite sure if he's pulling the US information about the 2015 Ford Focus since there is no 2015 build and price information for the Focus on Ford.ca, if he is then that explains everything as on the Titanium the car is priced around the DCT and the manual was a no cost extra.

In which case it may not apply, and them adding the $1000 to his order for the DCT over the manual when that was the canadian discount for buying a manual Titanium instead of the DCT may have been completely correct. There is no Canadian build and price tool for the 15 yet, so yes he pulled the US information which doesn't apply to his circumstances.

TLR, you can't compare the US build and price site to the Canadian one since they have slightly different options though the cars were all built in the same plant by the same men and robots.

If you wanted to save $1000 CAN you should have ordered the manual.

 

[PuttPuttVroom]

so yes he pulled the US information which doesn't apply to his circumstances.

That's why I was asking if this manual vs auto price was the case in the past (at least say within the last 5 years) or if it is new for the 2015 models.

 

[suss6052]

That's why I was asking if this manual vs auto price was the case in the past (at least say within the last 5 years) or if it is new for the 2015 models.

For Canada the price difference has been there ever since they added the manual option to the 2012 Focus Titanium, but the opposite has been true here. You get no discount for selecting the cheaper transmission in the USA on the Titanium trim since those are not commonly ordered by dealers, only customers.

So if they said you'd have to pay 1000 CAN for the transmission that's what it will cost.