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Putting it in Sport mode does not require manually selecting gears, UNTIL you select a gear manually the first time. If you just throw it in S, and never use the up/down buttons, it still auto-shifts for you, but at slightly higher rpm's.



As I mentioned elsewhere, doing this has greatly reduced, if not all but eliminated the shuddering issue I occasionally experienced in 1st gear. I think it somehow re-teaches the software where to shift from 1st to 2nd. Occasionally, just to reinforce this learning process, I will select 1st gear, and keep it there just to run the rpm's up and down to/from 4k. After that, it is good to go for a while.



But, the shuddering my car used to experience did not seem to be clutch slip. It was very noticeable that it was the shift actuators getting confused and engaging/disengaging. With the windows down, I could actually hear the solenoids clicking away.



Good info, thanks. I'll try that today on my way home. I've had the car for 3 months & haven't used the Sport mode once. Look, I guess I was venting a little because I really like the car, it's sporty & has a ton of options but the shuddering deal does bug me. And it's like the last thing I wanna do is leave the car at the dealer for anything. I'm just going to drive it for awhile & see how it goes. If it really starts bothering me again I'll just take it back to the service dept. when I have a day off, during the week. Apparently the transmission specialist at my dealer isn't there on Sat. which makes it difficult for many.
 

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Does anyone else experience an annoying rattle in connection with this shudder issue? The shudder doesn't bother me as much as the rattle does.
 

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Update: so I took my car to the dealer. First of all they act stupid of course, like it's my fault. Secondly, they need the car all day just to diagnose it & determine if there's a problem. Ummm yea, there is a problem otherwise I wouldn't be here!!
Hi Pokerrun388,

I can check into some additional options. I see in another post you mentioned not wanting to leave your car at the dealership; it's home with you now, correct?

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Hi Pokerrun388,



I can check into some additional options. I see in another post you mentioned not wanting to leave your car at the dealership; it's home with you now, correct?



Meagan




Hi Meagan. First of all sorry for the late reply, I'm not on these forums often. Well here's the deal. I know there's a problem with the clutch. The sputtering & shuddering at times on acceleration isn't right & it should never do it. I almost feel at times as though I'm driving a manual even though it's an AT. It's hard to explain. So yes, I took the car into the deal once & didn't leave it because after the tech drove it around the street he told me it "drove well" & I got the feeling if I left my car there for a day that they would call me back the next day & say "we've determined there isn't a problem". And in that case I left my car there for nothing. Plus I really don't wanna leave it & risk getting a scratch or door ding etc. Some of this I blame myself for not doing my search on the car & just buying it for "looks & style". Big mistake. But often times when you buy a car you're excited & miss certain things. I haven't decided yet if I'll take it back & leave it or I'll just drive it until I'm frustrated enough & trade it in for something else. The cars paid for so I'm not really thinking about that right now.
 

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Oh wow, I just bought my daughter a 2012 Focus hatchback with 66,000 miles on it, so just out of factory warranty. Will this extended warranty Ford is doing cover her car I wonder? Anyone have any input? Thanks for your response. JB
 

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Hey all-

So I bought a 2012 Focus SE with 39k miles on it back in August. Had a bit of a shudder since I bought it. Service department checked it out - transmission seal leak. They replaced the seals and clutch.

About three weeks after I got it back (with occasional very hard shifting - I nearly hit my face on the steering wheel once), my car just about broke down on the highway - clunking and whistling noise, inability to accelerate and a warning on the dashboard of a transmission malfunction. Towed to the dealer, burnt out clutch from leaking transmission seals. Replaced seals and clutch a second time.

I've had it back a week, and I think the trans is now starting to slip again. It sometimes feels a little sluggish in acceleration. Sometimes if at highway speed (say 60 mph), the RPMs will drop from about 2300 to about 1500 immediately when I take my foot off the gas, and rev again when I hit the gas again (and sometimes it won't). I know it was doing this before the clutch burnt out last time (No lurching during shifting though (so far)) - so is this normal or part of the breaking in period or something, is my car about to break down again? I guess I've never had a properly functioning transmission, so I have no control group for comparison.

Thank you so much.
 

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Hi Meagan. First of all sorry for the late reply, I'm not on these forums often...I took the car into the deal once & didn't leave it because after the tech drove it around the street he told me it "drove well"...I haven't decided yet if I'll take it back & leave it or I'll just drive it until I'm frustrated enough & trade it in for something else...
Thanks for the follow up! I never saw that you replied, sorry about that.

Have you had any updates since this post?

Oh wow, I just bought my daughter a 2012 Focus hatchback with 66,000 miles on it...
Welcome to the forum!

Is your daughter's Focus experiencing these symptoms? If so, I recommend heading to the dealer for a diagnostic. Please let me know if you do, so I can look into some options.

Hey all-

So I bought a 2012 Focus SE with 39k miles on it back in August. Had a bit of a shudder since I bought it. Service department checked it out - transmission seal leak. They replaced the seals and clutch.

About three weeks after I got it back...Towed to the dealer, burnt out clutch from leaking transmission seals. Replaced seals and clutch a second time.

I've had it back a week, and I think the trans is now starting to slip again..
Hi BertiferousRex,

I want to look into this further. Please send me a private message with your VIN, mileage, best daytime phone number, full name, and dealer name/location.

[welcome]

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Welcome to the forum!

Is your daughter's Focus experiencing these symptoms? If so, I recommend heading to the dealer for a diagnostic. Please let me know if you do, so I can look into some options.

Hi thanks for your response. I'm currently in a remote area in NM for my job so my intent access is limited.
But yes, the car shudders on takeoff unless you really give it the gas (full throttle). The dealer salesperson said that was normal for this car and I shouldn't be alarmed. It wasn't until I read this thread that became worried.
I plan on having her or my wife take it to the dealer soon and get their take on the issue. I will call the dealer and make sure they know about the extended transmission warranty ! )
Thanks for all of your information and helpfulness. I currently own 3 Fords and hope to remain a Ford-man for many years.
 

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Bought my 2013 SE 10 days ago. Bought it from the big chain auto store. I questioned why one headlight screw was missing and the other was laying up by the wiper units. They ran a "service history" and detailed that the car had been serviced for an "oil leak". I ran a carfax and found the open TSB for the tranny shudder. But it also shows the car was serviced at a local Ford dealer four days prior to me buying it. I took the car to that dealership yesterday to see if they could tell me what had been done and if the Recall had been done.

They printed off a sheet that details:

CAUSE "VIS. INSP. CONFIRMS OIL LEAK @ BELL HOUSING; PERF. PCM/TCM RECAL & ADAPT. RE-LRN; RD TEST-REMOVE TRANS, FND OIL LK FR. R/MAIN BED PLATE

CORRECTION 51 2011-2015 FIESTA DPS6: REPROGRAM THE PCM/TCM, PERFORM PINPOINT TEST TWICE PER WSM PROCEDURE, REPLACE BOTH INNER INPUT SHAFT SEALS AND CLEAN CLUTCH"

So I asked "does this mean the recall has been done?" After some hesitation, they replied "yes".

I am noticing the shudder. I have a 30 day warranty with the big box dealer. Suggestions? Drive it and not worry? Take it back to the place I bought it for them to deal with? Return it? Or take it back to the Ford dealer? or different dealer?
 

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Simple answer would be to return it.

There wasn't "recall" which is why the Dealer would be reluctant to say a "recall" had been done. The TSB you found is likely the one that extended the warranty period on clutches/seals programming to 100,000/8? yrs..

The seals/cleaning/reprogram doesn't ALWAYS solve the problem, sometimes it can come back bad enough to need a new set of clutches.

One big problem for you is that the break in for the job just done will take longer than the 30 day warranty you got on the car, so depending on the mileage you could be out of coverage before even knowing if it will work right. it would be a "pre-existing problem" but I don't know how that "Big Box" car store warranty is written.

Don't know the miles on it now, so I don't know if any Ford powertrain warranty (5/60) would even apply, and the TCM is covered to 8/80 under emissions warranty.

Ford Dealer is the only place with the tools/computer to work on these transmissions, even working through the Dealer that sold it to you the work would be done elsewhere.

Sometimes parts other than those covered by the TSB warranty extension can be involved, that's why you are in a tough spot as far as that short warranty is concerned.
 

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Thanks for the good info. Car is at 20,390 miles. I will call the place I bought it from in the morning. Unfortunately they only offer a "5 day no hassle return policy". And I've had it for 10 days.
 

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At least low mileage isn't the worry I envisioned as possible at a high one.

Full Ford warranty should still be in effect.
 

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Bought my 2013 SE 10 days ago. Bought it from the big chain auto store. I questioned why one headlight screw was missing and the other was laying up by the wiper units. They ran a "service history" and detailed that the car had been serviced for an "oil leak". I ran a carfax and found the open TSB for the tranny shudder. But it also shows the car was serviced at a local Ford dealer four days prior to me buying it. I took the car to that dealership yesterday to see if they could tell me what had been done and if the Recall had been done.

They printed off a sheet that details:

CAUSE "VIS. INSP. CONFIRMS OIL LEAK @ BELL HOUSING; PERF. PCM/TCM RECAL & ADAPT. RE-LRN; RD TEST-REMOVE TRANS, FND OIL LK FR. R/MAIN BED PLATE

CORRECTION 51 2011-2015 FIESTA DPS6: REPROGRAM THE PCM/TCM, PERFORM PINPOINT TEST TWICE PER WSM PROCEDURE, REPLACE BOTH INNER INPUT SHAFT SEALS AND CLEAN CLUTCH"

So I asked "does this mean the recall has been done?" After some hesitation, they replied "yes".

I am noticing the shudder. I have a 30 day warranty with the big box dealer. Suggestions? Drive it and not worry? Take it back to the place I bought it for them to deal with? Return it? Or take it back to the Ford dealer? or different dealer?
Sailors answer to you is dead on. If you read the hundreds of posts here and at the lemon law blog, you'll realize you have walked into a real mess created by Ford. I think the dealer who sold you this may back down if confronted with all the information available here.

If the vehicle you bought is not covered by fords extended transmission warranty, you face a lot of potential cost. I am genuinely sorry that these are resold in the used market if the ford warranty does not carry thru.

That being said the Ford rep Meagan, here at this board , and the Ford reps at their Facebook page, are the only people sincerely trying hard to get these cars fixed.
 

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Bought my 2013 SE 10 days ago. Bought it from the big chain auto store. I questioned why one headlight screw was missing and the other was laying up by the wiper units. They ran a "service history" and detailed that the car had been serviced for an "oil leak". I ran a carfax and found the open TSB for the tranny shudder. But it also shows the car was serviced at a local Ford dealer four days prior to me buying it. I took the car to that dealership yesterday to see if they could tell me what had been done and if the Recall had been done.

They printed off a sheet that details:

CAUSE "VIS. INSP. CONFIRMS OIL LEAK @ BELL HOUSING; PERF. PCM/TCM RECAL & ADAPT. RE-LRN; RD TEST-REMOVE TRANS, FND OIL LK FR. R/MAIN BED PLATE

CORRECTION 51 2011-2015 FIESTA DPS6: REPROGRAM THE PCM/TCM, PERFORM PINPOINT TEST TWICE PER WSM PROCEDURE, REPLACE BOTH INNER INPUT SHAFT SEALS AND CLEAN CLUTCH"

So I asked "does this mean the recall has been done?" After some hesitation, they replied "yes".

I am noticing the shudder. I have a 30 day warranty with the big box dealer. Suggestions? Drive it and not worry? Take it back to the place I bought it for them to deal with? Return it? Or take it back to the Ford dealer? or different dealer?
Thanks for the good info. Car is at 20,390 miles. I will call the place I bought it from in the morning. Unfortunately they only offer a "5 day no hassle return policy". And I've had it for 10 days.
Hi tom's2013SE,

Welcome to the forum!

With certain repairs, there's a break-in period before things settle in. That being said, it's always a good idea to head to your dealer, or even get a second opinion, if you're concerned with the symptoms you're experiencing. I'll be happy to look into some additional assistance once you have an appointment set up. :)

...That being said the Ford rep Meagan, here at this board , and the Ford reps at their Facebook page, are the only people sincerely trying hard to get these cars fixed.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, mr_cassandra! :D I'll pass along your kind words to my Facebook counterparts.

Meagan
 

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I took the car back to the "Big box" store that I bought it from to address my concerns. The salesrep and I met with their service adviser. He was aware of the issues Ford is having with the Focus tranny. I must say they were very sympathetic and never pressured me to do anything. They offered to do whatever would make me happy including taking the car back.

What we have agreed to do for now:

Drive the car hoping the system "learns as you drive" which is part of the reflash completed by the local Ford dealer. On January 5th bring the car in to them, they will take it to their local Ford dealer and have them check it out. I will then have the choice to have further work done if needed, return the car, or replace the car. If further work is needed, they will provide me with a loaner.

So far so good.
 

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I took the car back to the "Big box" store that I bought it from to address my concerns. The salesrep and I met with their service adviser. He was aware of the issues Ford is having with the Focus tranny. I must say they were very sympathetic and never pressured me to do anything. They offered to do whatever would make me happy including taking the car back.

What we have agreed to do for now:

Drive the car hoping the system "learns as you drive" which is part of the reflash completed by the local Ford dealer. On January 5th bring the car in to them, they will take it to their local Ford dealer and have them check it out. I will then have the choice to have further work done if needed, return the car, or replace the car. If further work is needed, they will provide me with a loaner.

So far so good.
sounds like a good, honest dealer. Please take as long as you need to review all the other folks getting repairs here before you make your decision to keep the car.
 

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Yes, that sounds like a good response from the Dealer.

Even if it starts working OK & you decide you don't like it or don't want to chance it they'll get back a car in better working order to sell. ("break in" done)

If it continues to be problematic you've got an out.

Without getting into all the details & guesses some have ended up having repeat troubles, and that wouldn't be a good position to be left in.

Break in period for a new clutch set is 1,000 miles, and the used set can take a while as well so don't be afraid to use it. This will give you time to do more reading here, and there's a "stickie" in the MkIII section you might want to read as well.

These will never be just like a traditional torque converter type automatic, and "creeping" is something they aren't good at just like a manual transmission. You've now got time for an extended test drive & more research to make your decision.

Luck!
 
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