[pitchblackab]

Turbo focus would kill a GT man the GT is slow as shit, stock GT is a 15 second car stock can run 14's with some mods, a mach 1 runs low 14's can run 13's with a little mods and the cobra is a low 13 high 12 second car depending on the track conditions and driver.


So figure a focus which is a mustang on a 600 pound diet to quote from the same article that you read the wheelbase is almost a whole two inches longer. So figure 600 less pounds plus something like 215 hp (SRT area) and bam you got yourself a 13 second car. Considering the SVT is a low 15 second car (by most magazines) boost that power by 45hp and it seems that you are faster than a GT.

And yes ford will not make a turbo focus at least till they see sales figures for the new bodystyle mustangs and see if they have a future in the market they just inherited since the death of the camaro/firebird. Their only option would be to keep the mach ones speed on the GT level and kill the Base level v8, and just keep the two more powerful ones that way a turbo focus wouldnt be jumping in on the mustangs tail.

 

[pitchblackab]

Anyone else notice i have gotten into the habit of typing half page posts ?

 

[UltegraSTI]

they'll always be somethin better out...

-Ult

 

[sancletayley]

Anyone else notice i have gotten into the habit of typing half page posts ?

i couldn't agree more..

on another note... my husband and i have owned all the motors ( as you can see in my sig)
the svt is perhaps my favorite but i my daily driver is the pzev...so far i have had a lot of starting problems. i understand that the pzev is a new motor and is not perfected though. however, the pzev is the latest technology.

we (my husband and i) work for ford motor company and have owned several ford cars...the zetec motor has had the least amount of problems.

if i were you i would take the rebates and incentives and get the 2003. that's just my .02 though

 

[EuroZX3]

i didnt really read all this but i think pitch said it first, depends on if u want an aftermarket or not... if u dont, the choice is clear

 

[dbenney]

just so you guys know i work at the plant where the 4dr & wagon are made. there is a major bodystyle change lined up for 2005. and regardless of what u all heard there never was a plan to change the 2003 body. The 2.3 pzev has been driven by my father who also works there. he said its unbelievable in a man trans for a 4 banger! i make these cars and ive owned 3 what does that tell you? i leased a 2001 se, bought a 2002 ZTS, and just recently bought a 2000 ZTS 5spd used. I've loved them all! also i dont know if ne1 knows or even cares, but the ZX3 and ZX5 are made in Mexico! the dealer tried to cell me one & i told him that i wouldnt buy a car made outside the US even if it was still a ford.

 

[pitchblackab]

Yes made in Mexico where the SVT is also made, and yeah no quality problems man, sorry to say. No reason to think that they are bad cause they ae made there. Actually they are also where the zx2 is made, and quoting scc(losely) "a great plant for them to be able to allow some crazy ford engineers to come in here and make shirt production run models like the s/r zx2.

Now I fully support our auto unions, you hear that mafia guys i support the unions leave me alone. LOL

 

[Egz]

All I can say is I love my PZEV. Its much more fun than the Zetec. Pleanty of torque, and its mega smooth. And my intake just made it even better. Can't wait to get my pulleys on.

I see it this way. The Zetec is dead. Sure, they'll still make parts for it, but Duratec is where the future is.

 

[pitchblackab]

Yeah your PZEV will have to be completely swapped over to the newer duraec standars for it to be current then.

 

[Egz]

Hmmm? Care to explain?

 

[pitchblackab]

well its all an if ford does it, they wanna take away your motor PZEV rating, make another pzev either the spi or zetec motor to keep them good with the cafe stadards. If they do this you PZEV version of the Duratec will be obsolete, but that is an if. Im sure the guy that works for ford can tell us more when he finds out some thing.

 

[Egz]

But the PZEV is a Duratec engine with a non-evaporative fuel system. It is still a Duratec. We just loving call it the PZEV to be different. The 2.3, and the future 2.0 and 1.8 are all the same block, just with different sleeves and cams (and maybe a couple of other small items).

If they want to make a PZEV version of the 2.0 or 1.8, and leave the 2.3 just a SULEV, only a couple of changes have to be made by removing some items, and replacing the gastank with a plastic one as opposed to the metal one it has now.

And sure, the 2.3 will get more powerful from Ford in the Future. Thats inevitable. But so did the Zetec from the early 90s. But it will still be a Duratec. All that I'm saying is the days are numbered for the Zetec engine, and the Duratec is the beginning of a new dynasty.

 

[pitchblackab]

dynasty ha ha ha ha ha ha.

 

[imajsdaddy]

Yes made in Mexico where the SVT is also made, and yeah no quality problems man, sorry to say. No reason to think that they are bad cause they ae made there. Actually they are also where the zx2 is made, and quoting scc(losely) "a great plant for them to be able to allow some crazy ford engineers to come in here and make shirt production run models like the s/r zx2.

Now I fully support our auto unions, you hear that mafia guys i support the unions leave me alone. LOL

Actually the SVT has had horrible quality problems! Mine has had 39 day of shop time in 9 months! 1 more day and ford will be getting the lemon law thrown at them... I want to have mine replaced with an 04 for no additional cost!

I also know of 1 other SVTF here in anchorage alaska that has already been bought back by ford. He bought a RX8 (Lucky bastard!) <----- he's a good guy not a bastard, just worked!

Call 800-ford-svt and ask about the problems with the SVTF before you buy it.... now I love my car but major reliability issues!

 

[zincsr]

the zetec is also internaly balanced, so u dont have to wreck the engine w/ a simple udp installed incorrectly.

roush had 2 demo cars the zx2 Fusions that had 230hp supercharged but never mass produced it and the SC kit was never made for the zx2 ( no sc kit is out for the zx2) and ford had a zx2 svt prototype that was 180hp turbo charged. but think if you can get a escort that runs even w/ a mustang gt, or one that sits dead between the v6 stang and gt for less than either, plus it would have better gas milage and lower insurance.

 

[Egz]

the zetec is also internaly balanced, so u dont have to wreck the engine w/ a simple udp installed incorrectly.

The PZEV is also internally balanced. The problem was that the crank timing gear is held in place by friction, and not a key. When the person went to remove the crank bolt, he used the method of cranking the engine on the wrench to loosen it. That caused his valve-train timing to get out of whack, and smacked the pistons into the valves.

 

[zincsr]

i stand corrected

 

[Egz]

LOL, its okay. Perhaps the bigger issue is the PZEV is an interferance engine, while the Zetec isn't. Ah, I'll miss that feature.

 

[swh50]

My delimma has pretty much resolved itself. I went to buy the Focus and the dealer raised the price almost 400 dollars.


Steve Harris

 

[Silverstang01]

Zetec = Lots of aftermarket support now

PZEV = Not a lot of stuff at the moment who cares with whats out you run like 14's its like a stock GT mustang. And you get good gas mileage.

And i will never believe in anything that is gonna happen to the focus cause 03' was to be a updated body like europe got. And that was in 02' that the rumor was circulating, 2005 if thats whats going to happen someone should have at least seen one of the engines.

no way 14's with 2.3 pzev
stock mustang gt 5spd run low 14s very easily