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Old 03-17-2015, 12:10 AM   #1
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SVT Getrag MT285 Tranmission Information Thread

Hello Focus Community,

This thread is intended to consolidate our combined knowledge about the SVT Getrag MT285 transmission information, parts suppliers, and locations for acquiring replacements units into a singular thread. Please provide your feedback and sources and I will update the first post to make this thread better!

Thank you,
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Getrag MT285 Information Thread




Content:
-Getrag SVT/Mini Cooper S Gear Ration Comparison
-Getrag Transmission Oil
- Parts Sources
CV Axles
Getrag Internals
Getrag Transmission Shops
- MISC
- Photos



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Getrag SVT/Mini Cooper S Comparison

SVT Focus gear ratios:

(Image Source)

...Gear......Lay......Lay:diff....Overall
...Ratio.....Shaft....Ratio.......Ratio
1 4.44:1.....1.......2.88:1.....12.7:1
2 2.67:1.....1.......2.88:1......7.7:1
3 1.33:1.....2.......4.25:1......5.7:1
4 1.08:1.....2.......4.25:1......4.6:1
5 1.33:1.....1.......2.88:1......3.8:1
6 1.08:1.....1.......2.88:1......3.1:1
R 2.82:1.....2.......4.25:1.....12.0:1

Mini Cooper S gear ratios:

...Gear......Lay......Lay:diff....Overall
...Ratio.....Shaft....Ratio.......Ratio
1 4.167:1.....1.......2.74:1.....11.43:1
2 2.619:1.....1.......2.74:1......7.18:1
3 1.333:1.....2.......4.05:1......5.40:1
4 1.089:1.....2.......4.05:1......4.41:1
5 1.333:1.....1.......2.74:1......3.66:1
6 1.089:1.....1.......2.74:1......2.97:1
R 2.748:1.....2.......4.05:1.....11.13:1

Sources:
FocalJet Thread - "SVT/Mini Cooper S Tranny" (Link)


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Getrag Transmission Oil

NOTICE:
There is a lot of debate about which fluid should be used inside the SVT Getrag transmission. Since I've not seen a scientific explanation in favor of using a specific type, I'm going to list the most commonly recommended fluids below.

Specs:
Getrag MT285 Fluid Capacity: 2.2 quarts.

List:
Motorcraft Full Synthetic Manual Transmission Fluid (Link)
Part Number: XT-M5-QS

Redline MTL 75w90 (Link)
Part Number: 50304

AMSOIL Manual Synchromesh Transmission Fluid 5W-30 (Link)
Part Number: AMSOIL-MTFQT

Valvoline Synchromesh MTF (Link - Page 5)
UPC: 74130030947

(Not Recommended) Royal Purple Synchromax (Link)
Part Number: 12512
Note: Thanks to FF user spikedbat for verifying that Royal Purple does NOT recommend using Synchromax in our transmission. They recommend using Royal Purple 31140 HPS 10W-40 instead. Anyone currently using Sychromax in their transmission should drain and replace ASAP, see (Link) & (Link)

Royal Purple HPS 10W-40 (Link)
Part Number: 31140

Sources:
FocalJet Thread - "opinions on transmission fluid for Getrag" (Link)
FocusFanatics Thread - "Getrag gear oil (hopefully the final thread on it)" (Link)
BobIsTheOilGuy Thread - "What Trans fluid? MINI Cooper S - Getrag 6-speed" (Link)
YouTube - Ed Peters, Chrysler/Dodge SRT Engineer, discussing transmission fluid types and manual trans breakdown. (Link)



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Parts Sources

Note: Be extremely careful when shopping for a 'new' CV axle. Every new/frankenstein Chinese axle that I have examined or attempted to utilize ended up never being installed or had to be returned. I have not been able to find an American shop that will rebuild a CV axle. See the photos section below for examples.

Problems To Look For:
- Incorrect fluid channel geometry on transmission input shaft. This will lead to leaking fluid.
- Improperly sized guide rod bearing on passenger side CV axle. If the shift is not perfectly centered into the transmission, you will get transmission noise/grinding at various speeds.
- Damaged input shift splines.

New CV Axles

EBay Axle Store
New SVT CV Axle Set - $166.00 (Link)


Ford Direct Parts
(Link)
$363.50
Left
Part Number: 3B437(TX-395)


$441.06
(Link)
Right
Part Number: 3B436(TX-394)





Replacement Transmission Sources

Speedway Recyclers
www.speedwayrecyclers.com
Location: Maribel, WI
Note: Speedway Recyclers is an SVT only scrapyard. They have a decent number of SVT only parts.


Car-Parts.com
www.car-part.com
Note: You will need to search for replacement transmission for 2002 or 2004. Their database is missing the SVT (6-speed) option for 2003. Be sure to verify the transmission model when you call.




Getrag Replacement Internals

Cobra Transmissions
(Link)
SVT (6 Speed) (Fwd), Synchro & Bearing, Gasket and Seal Kit, Focus SVT DOHC 00-Up (2.0L) (Getrag) (Ford)
Part#: CT-BK336WS
Note: Contact For Availability




Shops With Getrag Transmission Experience

AutoTech
www.autotech.com
Location:Aliso Viejo, CA



Cobra Transmission
www.cobratransmission.com
Location: Decatur, GA



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Miscellaneous Information

Google Spreadsheet showing top speed limits based on wheel/tire size (Link)
Getrag Tear-down and Differential Install (Link)
Getrag Counter Weight Removal Guide (Link)
Modified Getrag Gearing Ratios (Link)
Shifter Bushing Install (Link)

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Photos

Shifter linkage with shifter weight present at top.



Top - OEM Passenger Side CV Axle Transmission Input Shaft
Bottom - New Chinese Passenger Side CV Axle Transmission Input Shaft
Note the bottom shaft has incorrect fluid channel geometry.


Another angle


Top - OEM
Bottom - New Chinese
Note that the guide bearing on the bottom shaft was not pressed into the right position.


Shifter Bushing





Last edited by RevLimit; 01-09-2016 at 03:34 PM. Reason: Added Shifter Bushing Info
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Holy hot sauce! Great thread.
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Holy hot sauce! Great thread.
Thanks! I think it's a good start, but I will need everyone's help to make it better.
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Such a huge help. Just bought my svt last week and even with that transmission thread already stickied I was still unsure of what to use.
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Excellent!!! Don't see it getting better, but we can try.

Should be a sticky!
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What is the spline count on the trasmission side of it?
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Thank you for this, but Synchromax should be removed and RP 75w90 Maxx gear & RP 10w40 Motor oil should be added to fluids as this is what RP Officially recommends in the Getrag285 NOT Synchromax.

I need to check back with that Mini guy on internal parts if I get a hold of him ill post back here
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I would remove the oil recommendation all together. Too many opinions on what to use.
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Thank you for this, but Synchromax should be removed and RP 75w90 Maxx gear & RP 10w40 Motor oil should be added to fluids as this is what RP Officially recommends in the Getrag285 NOT Synchromax.

I need to check back with that Mini guy on internal parts if I get a hold of him ill post back here
Before I make the correction, could you provide me with an official quote/link from Royal Purple?


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I would remove the oil recommendation all together. Too many opinions on what to use.
I think it's relevant for us to list the recommended oil types in this thread. I would rather owners be able to find all of the recommend oils in once place, and give them the ability to research my sources to make up their own minds on the oil types.

So far I have not found an analytical scientific explanation of which oil type we should really be using. I think the safest bet is to use the Motorcraft XT-M5-QS which is why I placed it at the top of the list.


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Post out to everyone.

I would love to have a longer final gear in the transmission for lower RPMs on the highway. I would need to hookup a wide-band O2 sensor and perform data logging to build a fuel map in order to calculate the optimal final gearing for higher speed/better MPG driving. I think having a longer final gear we could achieve better MPG and keep the RPMs lower on the highway - 3,000 RPMs at 70MPG is retarded for 6th gear...
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You will have to call royal purple yourself like I did.
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