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Old 08-16-2019, 09:11 AM   #31
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Kinda bad to lump all Ford products thanx to the dct. Same as GM, Chrysler, Toyota....Really best to shop by the category/class your looking at, vs the manufacturer.....
It's been a few years of crap I got from them to make me feel that way

My 15 Focus and wife's 16 Fiesta had tranny issues, not to even mention the multitude of recalls on the 15.

Got my wife a 18 Escape it it is completely a POS when it comes to build quality.

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Iím at the point where I want to part ways with it. I could lie & tell you guys that the shuddering doesnít bother me, but the truth is that is drives me nuts, especially when I need to get around someone. Iím also very concerned about the long-term reliability on this transmission w/ a car that has horrible resale value.



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When i researched the Focus in 2012 there were red flags all over the DCT and people still jumped all over them for a few years but checking this forum for less than 10 minutes convinced me to avoid it and bought the only 5 speed on the lot that day.

48,000 miles and had a couple computer updates,recalls on the door latches and the gas tank issue and had a leaky rear seal otherwise the car has been fine.
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When i researched the Focus in 2012 there were red flags all over the DCT and people still jumped all over them for a few years but checking this forum for less than 10 minutes convinced me to avoid it and bought the only 5 speed on the lot that day.
I think it's all about doing research. If there are red flags and people still go for it, well, I guess trust has been placed wrongly then.
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Old 08-27-2019, 11:11 AM   #35
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When i researched the Focus in 2012 there were red flags all over the DCT and people still jumped all over them for a few years but checking this forum for less than 10 minutes convinced me to avoid it and bought the only 5 speed on the lot that day.
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I think it's all about doing research. If there are red flags and people still go for it, well, I guess trust has been placed wrongly then.
Blame the victim, eh? Those idiots back in 2012 should have just known the DPS6 was a bad transmission!

I mean, that's ridiculous. But surely by 2013, right? There were dozens - dozens! - of posts on the big wide internet talking about issues with the DPS6! I mean, how could someone not read the complaints of a handful of strangers on the anonymous internet and simply know the DPS6 was a dumpster fire?

Okay, so maybe by 2014? Now we're getting somewhere! I mean, obviously the Focus Fanatics forum was a household name at that point, right? All of those other no-name websites - Car and Driver, Jalopnik, Motor1, Top Gear - talking about how much fun it is and touting the DPS6 as a responsive transmission with great fuel economy, they would never show up before the FF forum in a Google search!

Give me a break. I get that some people knew that the DPS6 was a dry DCT and had the industry experience or technical knowledge to be skeptical from the beginning. But they are the minority, though certainly a loud, condescending, and obnoxious minority.

But your average person does not have that expertise or knowledge. The Focus was a good car for years. It is completely reasonable to expect that quality to continue. The average consumer looking at an econobox did not expect Ford to knowingly use a defective transmission and lie outright about it. And even if they had gotten a whiff of the issues with the DPS6, 2015 brought a refresh and salespeople were coached to tell customers that the issues had been fixed (and in their defense, the salespeople are also totally clueless).

Only an asshat puts the blame for the dumpster fire that is the DPS6 on the customer. Ford lied, end of story.
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I think it's all about doing research. If there are red flags and people still go for it, well, I guess trust has been placed wrongly then.
Blame the victim, eh? Those idiots back in 2012 should have just known the DPS6 was a bad transmission!

I mean, that's ridiculous. But surely by 2013, right? There were dozens - dozens! - of posts on the big wide internet talking about issues with the DPS6! I mean, how could someone not read the complaints of a handful of strangers on the anonymous internet and simply know the DPS6 was a dumpster fire?

Okay, so maybe by 2014? Now we're getting somewhere! I mean, obviously the Focus Fanatics forum was a household name at that point, right? All of those other no-name websites - Car and Driver, Jalopnik, Motor1, Top Gear - talking about how much fun it is and touting the DPS6 as a responsive transmission with great fuel economy, they would never show up before the FF forum in a Google search!

Give me a break. I get that some people knew that the DPS6 was a dry DCT and had the industry experience or technical knowledge to be skeptical from the beginning. But they are the minority, though certainly a loud, condescending, and obnoxious minority.

But your average person does not have that expertise or knowledge. The Focus was a good car for years. It is completely reasonable to expect that quality to continue. The average consumer looking at an econobox did not expect Ford to knowingly use a defective transmission and lie outright about it. And even if they had gotten a whiff of the issues with the DPS6, 2015 brought a refresh and salespeople were coached to tell customers that the issues had been fixed (and in their defense, the salespeople are also totally clueless).

Only an asshat puts the blame for the dumpster fire that is the DPS6 on the customer. Ford lied, end of story.
sarcasm is the best response. Ford (billion dollar corporation) knowingly sold this POS. That's the beginning and the end of this story. Go on a Ford dealer website and they are still selling these junk cars as "certified"
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One drive in one of the 1st ones back in '11 is all it took for me, yea I did drive a few others btw......I'd think ppl would do a test drive & wonder why is shifts the way it does. I wouldn't care what others say, this being a mass produced product for the pubic that wants a reliable vehicle, Why would anyone driving this, think thats the way it is?
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who is gladthey got rid of a dct POS

Iím trying to think back to 2014, when I bought mine. Iím not sure why I didnít pick up on it, during my test drive? Maybe I was just excited because it was new & I liked how it looked? Maybe I was just stupid? In any case, sometimes the DCT isnít so noticeable with a short drive around the block & back, however the more you drive them, especially in stop & go traffic & on surface streets, the more jerky it becomes. Oh well.... lesson learned. Shouldíve bought the ST1, which at that time was very close in price.



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Old 08-28-2019, 10:51 AM   #39
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One drive in one of the 1st ones back in '11 is all it took for me, yea I did drive a few others btw......I'd think ppl would do a test drive & wonder why is shifts the way it does. I wouldn't care what others say, this being a mass produced product for the pubic that wants a reliable vehicle, Why would anyone driving this, think thats the way it is?
There are reliable DCTs (as reliable as they can be, we all know they have drawbacks), but they're primarily wet. DCTs feel different. Different isn't necessarily bad.

Furthermore, I knew it was a dry DCT back when I bought the car. I had never owned a non-manual prior to the Focus, thought of course I had driven a variety of cars with traditional autos, as well as a CVT or two. The DPS6 most certainly did not feel especially odd, knowing what it was. Most anyone will tell you that a fresh clutch pack and learning reset leaves the DPS6 feeling pretty smooth; that's how it felt new.

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Iím trying to think back to 2014, when I bought mine. Iím not sure why I didnít pick up on it, during my test drive? Maybe I was just excited because it was new & I liked how it looked? Maybe I was just stupid? In any case, sometimes the DCT isnít so noticeable with a short drive around the block & back, however the more you drive them, especially in stop & go traffic & on surface streets, the more jerky it becomes. Oh well.... lesson learned. Shouldíve bought the ST1, which at that time was very close in price.
That's because a new DPS6 - whether in a new car or with a new clutch pack and learning reset - drives very well. Of course, during this time it's riding the clutch and revving a bit higher; shifts are less aggressive and the computer isn't trying to be as smart (which leads to worse fuel economy and more wear on the clutch plates).

In hindsight, the only mistake the average consumer made in purchasing a Focus or Fiesta with the DPS6 was believing in and trusting Ford. Maybe we should always assume a company is trying to screw us over when they come up with any (supposed) improvement in technology, but that's not how the average person is wired. We assume we aren't being lied to. At the very least, we assume that a company will eventually get caught if they're lying, and that it's in their best interests not to screw us over (thereby avoiding lawsuits, bad press, and generating brand loyalty).

Anyone who claims the average person should have simply known the DPS6 was going to be trouble is a condescending asshat who can't look outside of their own narrow perspective.
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That's because a new DPS6 whether in a new car or with a new clutch pack and learning reset - drives very well. Of course, during this time it's riding the clutch and revving a bit higher; shifts are less aggressive and the computer isn't trying to be as smart (which leads to worse fuel economy and more wear on the clutch plates).

In hindsight, the only mistake the average consumer made in purchasing a Focus or Fiesta with the DPS6 was believing in and trusting Ford. Maybe we should always assume a company is trying to screw us over when they come up with any (supposed) improvement in technology, but that's not how the average person is wired. We assume we aren't being lied to. At the very least, we assume that a company will eventually get caught if they're lying, and that it's in their best interests not to screw us over (thereby avoiding lawsuits, bad press, and generating brand loyalty).

Anyone who claims the average person should have simply known the DPS6 was going to be trouble is a condescending asshat who can't look outside of their own narrow perspective.
As a consumer we always should keep in mind that we should try our very best not to be beta-testers for the corporation. It's not about us skeptics being condescending, it's about being an educated consumer. Yes a car should serve the basic functions of A-B, like a laptop, smartphone, kitchen appliances are since it's so pedestrian in society. How much does a car cost though, compared to most household stuff? I suppose more due diligence should be required?

This is in fact what's wrong with consumerism right now. We're so good at picking up the stand-out features of a car, aka the touchscreen size, cup sizes, moonroof size, hands-free controls - that we forgot to ask if the car could still do it's basic function of being a reliable transportation (for most of us anyways). This is why we should always be diligent when dealing with corporations.
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