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Old 09-23-2019, 03:35 PM   #11
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That's good. Should have told him that if he can find any pads on the rear, he's free to change them.
Yeah, no shit.
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I brought my Sienna to Toyota for an oil change. The advisor told me I needed new rear pads, and he showed me the measurements for the fronts and rears. I knew the fronts were good b/c I had just changed them. I knew I didn't need rear pads, b/c the van had FN drums on the rear.
Drums still have pads(or shoes if you want to call them that) that wear out, did you change them or even measure them?
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:56 AM   #13
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Drums still have pads(or shoes if you want to call them that) that wear out, did you change them or even measure them?
I've never heard anyone call shoes "pads" on drum brakes. No, I did nothing to them based on that exchange, b/c the advisor admitted that the tech didn't even pull the wheels off. Kind of hard to measure anything hidden behind a steel wheel + a drum. The van only had ~50K miles at the time, so I wasn't concerned about them.

He knew they F'd up, so he offered a free oil change.
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:37 PM   #14
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I've never heard anyone call shoes "pads" on drum brakes. No, I did nothing to them based on that exchange, b/c the advisor admitted that the tech didn't even pull the wheels off. Kind of hard to measure anything hidden behind a steel wheel + a drum. The van only had ~50K miles at the time, so I wasn't concerned about them.

He knew they F'd up, so he offered a free oil change.
Yeah, shoes typically last 3-4 times longer than pads in my experience. For one, when both types of brakes are on a vehicle, the drums are in the back and only account for about 40% of the braking. They're a lot harder to work on but even so, when we get safety inspections, the mechanic has to remove the drum to fully measure/inspect the shoes and to measure the inner drum diameter to compare to spec. I've had drums that were a bear to get off due to the lip of rust that can form around the edge.
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On my cars with rear drums, the shoes far outlasted the front pads, but oddly,
on the cars I've owned with rear disks, the rear pads wore out first...
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On my cars with rear drums, the shoes far outlasted the front pads, but oddly,
on the cars I've owned with rear disks, the rear pads wore out first...
Much smaller pad in comparison with the size of a shoe when taking into account if the brake bias/pressure is the same.
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Yeah, shoes typically last 3-4 times longer than pads in my experience.
I've never had to service drums and I've put 100K+ miles on a few cars/trucks with them. They last close to forever.
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Old 09-25-2019, 08:20 AM   #18
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On my cars with rear drums, the shoes far outlasted the front pads, but oddly,
on the cars I've owned with rear disks, the rear pads wore out first...
The only car I've had that needed rear pads first was an Accord, but this was a known issue for that gen. They'd eat rear OEM pads like crazy.

My MK3 factory rear pads have 120K+ miles and still show life. I did the fronts around 90K.
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As the OP stated, here in PA it requires a yearly inspection to allow the car to roadworthy. I just had my inspection done on Monday at the dealer that I purchased from, since I am also required to have an emission inspection also. I do most of my own maintenance also, and almost always replace brakes and rotors, and tires prior to the inspections due to the amount of mileage that I rack up each year.

The tires were installed 1 week to the day before the inspection, and when they called me up to discuss the results and what may need looked into soon, or fixed, he stated that my rear tires may need changed soon due to wear.
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I never sell anything that I would not do to my own car.It is my job to recommend what you need though.
You get paid for recalls but the door latch is 1.5 hours for all 4 latches.( not much time )
The vapor recall varies from .2 to over an hour with .6 being the common time.
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