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Old 08-06-2019, 02:40 PM   #11
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Hey pappy183,

It's definitely possible. I just completed this very swap. I have a 2014 Ford Focus SE. It previously had a DPS6 (6 speed dual clutch automatic) transmission, I swapped it out for a MTX75 (5 speed manual) transmission.

It took me between 80-100 hours to complete, over a 1.5 month period (mainly working on it on the weekends).

I also documented the entire build process on my YouTube channel. If you want to check it out, search YouTube for: Ford Focus - Automatic to Manual Transmission Swap

Cost me about $1,500~ in parts. I could have saved $150-$200 if I had shopped around, but...
Thanks for the videos and the parts list - this is very helpful.

Did you also have to get any seal kits since you were using a used transmission? Also, it looks like the slave cylinder comes with the clutch kit and the master cylinder is part of the clutch pedal, correct?
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I personally got new axle seals only because the trans has 70k miles and they were inexpensive so might as well do it now to be safe. You are correct though about the master cylinder being apart of the clutch pedal assembly.
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I personally got new axle seals only because the trans has 70k miles and they were inexpensive so might as well do it now to be safe. You are correct though about the master cylinder being apart of the clutch pedal assembly.
I just got a bit further in the video playlist and I saw that the main engine wiring harness had to be replaced because there is a different version for the MT. This wasn't included in the part list but it is another significant cost as they run over $200. I also saw that there seemed to be a possible issue with the AC and I have't gotten far enough in the playlist to see if he got that worked out.

Does the original PCM work with the swap? I'm assuming that it does and just needs to be programmed for the MT option. I'm curious as to whether the information displays work as normal for a MT when this is done. On my daughter's 5-speed, the area where the PRNDS is displayed instead has a shift indicator that "assists" you in timing upshifts. Totally unnecessary as you can just go by the tach or perceived engine speed.
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I personally got new axle seals only because the trans has 70k miles and they were inexpensive so might as well do it now to be safe. You are correct though about the master cylinder being apart of the clutch pedal assembly.
I just got a bit further in the video playlist and I saw that the main engine wiring harness had to be replaced because there is a different version for the MT. This wasn't included in the part list but it is another significant cost as they run over $200. I also saw that there seemed to be a possible issue with the AC and I have't gotten far enough in the playlist to see if he got that worked out.

Does the original PCM work with the swap? I'm assuming that it does and just needs to be programmed for the MT option. I'm curious as to whether the information displays work as normal for a MT when this is done. On my daughter's 5-speed, the area where the PRNDS is displayed instead has a shift indicator that "assists" you in timing upshifts. Totally unnecessary as you can just go by the tach or perceived engine speed.
Correct, automatic PCM & harness can be used but for it to be able to start, you have to ground a wire coming from the Transmission Range Sensor that tells the PCM whether the vehicle is in Park/Neutral. Later in the series, he actually puts the automatic harness back and grounds that wire. You will have a rpm limiter and a christmas tree on the dash but it'll work nonetheless, this can all be fixed with a tune and messing around in FoCCCus software though.

Edit: Here's the wiring diagram for starting system and TCM, hopefully it may help clear up confusion or help someone with their swap.
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Old 08-07-2019, 10:51 AM   #15
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Correct, automatic PCM & harness can be used but for it to be able to start, you have to ground a wire coming from the Transmission Range Sensor that tells the PCM whether the vehicle is in Park/Neutral. Later in the series, he actually puts the automatic harness back and grounds that wire. You will have a rpm limiter and a christmas tree on the dash but it'll work nonetheless, this can all be fixed with a tune and messing around in FoCCCus software though.
That's good as I'd rather go the route of keeping the existing harness and PCM. Based on my current cost estimates sourcing some used components this looks to be doable in under a grand in parts. I'm running Tom's tune on my DCT right now so this shouldn't be a problem. So what issues are addressed by the tune and which are taken care of by FoCCCus settings?

One other question on parts. the fluid reservoir part is a bit pricey and as I understand it, on the MT, this reservoir is shared by the clutch and hydraulic brake system and thus has two output fittings. Could one just tap a port into the automatic's brake reservoir to serve this purpose?

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I have a line on an A-grade 5-speed tranny from a nearby salvage yard for only $150. I called about it today and they still need to pull it from the car for me but that is a good thing because I was able to tell them it was for a swap so they could also pull/save a bunch of other things I'll need. I asked for the entire shifter assembly and cables if possible, pedals, flywheel, fluid reservoir, rear tranny mount bracket, upper tranny mount bracket and the carrier bearing bracket for the CV. I wasn't talking to the boss but the guy I talked to sounded like they could just throw a lot of that in. He made it sound like they usually throw a lot of that stuff out because it doesn't pay to pull it. Makes sense because if you need a new transmission that you are replacing in-kind, you already have all of that stuff.

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Nice! Make sure you get the shifter assembly bracket too, I'm not sure if they'll consider to be apart of the assembly itself but that definitely greatly reduces the overall cost.
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Nice! Make sure you get the shifter assembly bracket too, I'm not sure if they'll consider to be apart of the assembly itself but that definitely greatly reduces the overall cost. [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile_woot.gif[/IMG]
Yes, I asked for that too. Is the double shift cable clip in the engine bay (that bolts down) different for the manual? I didn't see that in the parts list.
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Welp, got everything swapped over and grounded the correct wire, but no start. Gonna try to track down the issue tomorrow, everything went smoothly for the most part but didn't realize until the tranny was in that the bracket that the shifter cables sit into ('CV6Z 7474 A') was not included with the transmission. Perhaps a junk yard will have a manual focus and this can be finished tomorrow
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