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Old 08-08-2019, 05:55 PM   #51
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Have you searched the "French" car forums?



Try Renault EDC6 , not the EDC7 which is the wet clutch.



My research from around the EU markets regarding the EDC6 (Renaults code for the Getrag 6DCT250) has the exact same issues as its twin the 6DCT250, with "heat" being the culprit.
Hmm, where did you find this info? I haven't seen any of that. I've been on different forums and what I've seen people say is it's the same as the Ford version, except the tuning is different. Also, it has to be, because the motors Renault is putting in them have far more power than the Fiesta/Focus. I believe 225+ horsepower. Focus and Fiesta are much less. I could see heat maybe being an issue in the Renault version because of the increased horsepower and probably torque as well.

The only complaint I saw was they needed a software update because the vehicle would lose power, maybe similar to the TCM issues, but maybe not if a software update fixes the issue.


Edit: Went to the French Car forums and couldn't find more than 2 posts on the EDC6. Then I followed the link below, and it seems there is a bunch of misinformation. The problems in this thread are apparently being confused. One of the comments said these trans have been mostly bulletproof in the Renault vehicles and that the EDC7 is the problem model. Ironic because it's the wet clutch one.

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Old 08-09-2019, 01:19 PM   #52
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Hmm, where did you find this info? I haven't seen any of that. I've been on different forums and what I've seen people say is it's the same as the Ford version, except the tuning is different. Also, it has to be, because the motors Renault is putting in them have far more power than the Fiesta/Focus. I believe 225+ horsepower. Focus and Fiesta are much less. I could see heat maybe being an issue in the Renault version because of the increased horsepower and probably torque as well.

The only complaint I saw was they needed a software update because the vehicle would lose power, maybe similar to the TCM issues, but maybe not if a software update fixes the issue.


Edit: Went to the French Car forums and couldn't find more than 2 posts on the EDC6. Then I followed the link below, and it seems there is a bunch of misinformation. The problems in this thread are apparently being confused. One of the comments said these trans have been mostly bulletproof in the Renault vehicles and that the EDC7 is the problem model. Ironic because it's the wet clutch one.

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Since this post also refers to Renault, I'm going to do a copypasta from my response in the other thread:


I'm going to need links instead of your executive summary, because there is a fair amount of misinformation being spread around regarding PowerShift, Renault, and the Getrag DCT lineup in general.

The short version is that Renault didn't fix anything, they just moved to the wet variant (6DCT450 / 6DCT470 and depending on torque requirements).

Furthermore, the DPS6 is not that same as the EDC; it's Ford's own variation on the 6DCT250 platform. A presentation by Magna PT (who bought Getrag in 2015 and finally retired the Getrag name in 2018) in 2016 even speaks to this fact, since it notes the changes to the 6DCT250 for use in the Renault Clio RS. "6DCT250" is a layout, or a platform. Not every implementation of the 6DCT250 is the same (either in software or hardware).

And even if it were the same, Renault only made the EDC available on very specific combinations of their cars, and only in certain markets. Specifically, the Mégane IV and Scénic IV when mated to the K9K 846 1.5L dCi 110 FAP diesel, and a revised version (dubbed "Twinamic") in the Twingo when mated to the TCe 90 (gas) engine. The EDC/Twinamic never came standard, and was only available in some places. And as I linked above, they have the same issues as the DPS6.
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I don't recall a lot of other manufacturers selling DCTs telling customers they are the problem not their transmission.

And face it,the DCT is an automatic transmission when it's all said an done.
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I don't recall a lot of other manufacturers selling DCTs telling customers they are the problem not their transmission.



And face it,the DCT is an automatic transmission when it's all said an done.
Because the customer is not the problem in Ford's case. Ford is directly to blame. You have people all over the internet saying the software is junk. Then you have Ford saying they're programming extra slip into it to make the car "more comfortable" at launch. Sounds awful fishy, does it not?

People do need to know what they're driving though. You are never supposed to creep in a dry dual clutch. They *should* be telling people this. Plus, like I said, creeping at red lights literally gets you nowhere. Just my opinion that it's a dumb habit. You're overheating your clutches by creeping. Needs to be common knowledge at this point.

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Old 08-10-2019, 06:32 PM   #55
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Since this post also refers to Renault, I'm going to do a copypasta from my response in the other thread:


I'm going to need links instead of your executive summary, because there is a fair amount of misinformation being spread around regarding PowerShift, Renault, and the Getrag DCT lineup in general.

The short version is that Renault didn't fix anything, they just moved to the wet variant (6DCT450 / 6DCT470 and depending on torque requirements).

Furthermore, the DPS6 is not that same as the EDC; it's Ford's own variation on the 6DCT250 platform. A presentation by Magna PT (who bought Getrag in 2015 and finally retired the Getrag name in 2018) in 2016 even speaks to this fact, since it notes the changes to the 6DCT250 for use in the Renault Clio RS. "6DCT250" is a layout, or a platform. Not every implementation of the 6DCT250 is the same (either in software or hardware).

And even if it were the same, Renault only made the EDC available on very specific combinations of their cars, and only in certain markets. Specifically, the Mégane IV and Scénic IV when mated to the K9K 846 1.5L dCi 110 FAP diesel, and a revised version (dubbed "Twinamic") in the Twingo when mated to the TCe 90 (gas) engine. The EDC/Twinamic never came standard, and was only available in some places. And as I linked above, they have the same issues as the DPS6.
I will give you that there's misinformation abound. Because Getrag and Borg-warner are pretty much the 2 manufacturers that are producing dry and wet DCTs

As far as I can tell, the 220 Trophy is a higher horsepower vehicle. From that PDF, it states "minor hardware" changes and software as well. Sounds like the base model is your average 6DCT250. I'm having trouble finding all the threads but the Renaultsport UK forums is where I'm finding people talking about the Ford Powershift version. The link you sent me, it sounds like they were creeping everywhere with their DCT, which sets the car into limp mode in an effort to protect further heat and wear. To me, Ford just needs to tell people not to be creeping at stop lights. Not good because you're half engaging and slipping the hell out of the clutches. Heat is gonna build up fierce.

You are correct in saying it's a much smaller market. However, overall, I'm not finding the complaints. We are much more likely to hear from those dissatisfied, this is true.

Dry DCTs aren't flawless in my opinion, and they aren't fun to drive in parking lots if you're under 12 MPH. In mine it always feels like the clutches are dragging at 10 MPH. It's clear it doesn't drive as smooth at that speed.

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Old 08-12-2019, 10:30 AM   #57
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This is the first I've heard of TCM problems from the Renault side. What I'm not clear on is if there have been many or even any failures from 16-18 on the Fiesta/Focus. Some people have had multiple changes on their cars. I'm at 86k miles on my original, but I've seen a lack of power twice, about a month apart each. To be clear, there's no guarantee the TCM is the offender; many things can cause a lack of power. My car is a 2016.

Other than shudder, for the most part I've had no problems in a little over 2 years of having the vehicle. I'm not sure if the noises they are talking about are the normal ones or not. People should realize, however, that some noises are in fact normal.

To me, there's no excuse if they haven't figured out the TCM issue at this point. I do know the early ones were especially bad. 40-60k miles was the norm before failure.

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So eight weeks into our latest clutches, the TCM went out. Dealer replaced it under the updated warranty. So our stats are this: 2014 MY, original owners, 4 clutches, two TCMs (all counting originally installed parts) and just hit 84k miles. Love everything else about the car; hate that Ford has abandoned us on a true fix for the DCT.
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So eight weeks into our latest clutches, the TCM went out. Dealer replaced it under the updated warranty. So our stats are this: 2014 MY, original owners, 4 clutches, two TCMs (all counting originally installed parts) and just hit 84k miles. Love everything else about the car; hate that Ford has abandoned us on a true fix for the DCT.
4 clutches? Good god. My car behaves much better with Tom's tune, but the jury is still out on my TCM. I'm currently on the second set of clutches (changed once).

So let me get this straight, it's your second TCM vs the stock one the car came with?

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"RS200 will have some teething issues with the DCT although I suspect the changes Renault Sport made to the cooling of the propiertry Getrag 6DCT250 means they won't have the same issues that people are seeing with the Fiesta and Focus."

The question is, what did Renault do cooling wise? I'm also still not convinced the software is the same as the Fiesta/Focus. Highly doubt it.



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